FW-190's at US captured airfield (photo)

[Zack Magnusson]

Gentlemen,
See my post on the army air forces site: http://forum.armyairforces.com/509th...o-m169765.aspx.

Basically,I have a photo from my grandfather's collection that features several FW-190's at an airfield with P-47's on the ground also. I've identified one of the P-47's as a 509th Fighter Squadron, 405th Fighter Group aircraft. I was wondering if anyone can tell me anything about the German aircraft in the photo or the identity of the field at which it was taken.

Thanks.

[Roger Gaemperle]

Hi Zack,

I think the 190 on the left is Fw 190 D-9 W.Nr. 600651 "White 15" of 1./JG2. The photo was probably taken at Straubing airfield.

Regards
Roger

[Zack Magnusson]

Thanks for the info Roger.

Is anyone aware of any sources of period photos or other historical information of the airfied at Straubing?

[Roger Gaemperle]

Hello,

If you are too lazy to print the photo from the ArmyAirForce page yourself, it is now now available as copy via ebay for "just" $5 .... :-O Or you may go the easy way and download it yourself from the ArmyAirForce page, that costs you $0 ;-) [note: I have no connection to the seller whatsoever]

I'm wondering if the owner is aware of this? Probably yes, I doubt that it would be offered otherwise.

Regards
Roger

[Roger Gaemperle]

Speaking of "great" ebay offers: have you seen this one yet?? First one is served first so be better fast

Cheers,
Roger

[lingodog]

Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle

Speaking of "great" ebay offers: have you seen this one yet?? First one is served first so be better fast

Cheers,
Roger

The seller is barely literate - and rather greedy!

[Zack Magnusson]

Originally Posted by Roger Gaemperle

Hello,

If you are too lazy to print the photo from the ArmyAirForce page yourself, it is now now available as copy via ebay for "just" $5 .... :-O Or you may go the easy way and download it yourself from the ArmyAirForce page, that costs you $0 ;-) [note: I have no connection to the seller whatsoever]

I'm wondering if the owner is aware of this? Probably yes, I doubt that it would be offered otherwise.

Regards
Roger

All,
The eBay seller does not have my permission to sell the photo. The original is in the possession of my grandmother. I scanned it myself. I have notified eBay of this fact. The seller fraudulently states that the original photo is in his collection and then has the nerve to talk about copyrights in his listing.

[harrison987]

Hi, Zack...

I am the seller of the Fw190 photo, and I bought a copy of it off eBay around 2 weeks ago.

Though I understand your frustration, there is most likely no legal copyright on this photo, and I copied it off the original I had given to me. When I say "original", I mean the post-war paper one that was sent to me. I looked at your link above, and the quality of the one I received is slightly different than the link you you have posted, so it is possible the original seller enhanced it (?).

Almost all photos of German aircraft lost all copyright due to the War Properties Act, which is why you constantly see the same photos being published on the internet over and over again, and in the same magazines and books.

If there is a legal copyright on this photo, it would lie ONLY in the hands of the ORIGINAL PHOTOGRAPHER (the person who took the photo). So if let's say, your grandafther is the one in the photo...if he hands his camera to a friend and says, "take a photo of me on this Fw190"...his friend who pressed the shutter button is the legal copyrioght owner. Copyright does not lie in the hands of who is in the photo, or who currently has possession of the original. And even then, what sucks is that if someone is trying to prove copyright ownership, one then has to prove "who" the original photographer is...how it was passed down, etc. with documentation. eBay will not remove anything in regards to copyright on photos as they do not have jurisdiction, nor know copyright law. They will ask you to fill out a form...fax it to them...then they contact the seller. Seller replies with a form...then they ask you to provide a Court Order and proof of a lawsuit filed, otherwise they keep the auction listed.

I can remove it as a courtesy if you wish, but no laws are being broken. Copyright Law is VERY in depth, so I will not reply again to this thread as I do not want to it to get into copyright discussion, but you are welcome to contact me off board if you wish.

Mike

[Kutscha]

Though I understand your frustration, there is most likely no legal copyright on this photo, and I copied it off the original I had given to me. When I say "original", I mean the post-war paper one that was sent to me. I looked at your link above, and the quality of the one I received is slightly different than the link you you have posted, so it is possible the original seller enhanced it (?).

Are you saying it is a copy of an original copy?

[Roger Gaemperle]

Hmmm, the first listing at ebay was stopped (see here)....

....but now it get's even better. Instead of $5 it was listed again by the same seller for $6.99..... (see here) At the time I am writing this this auction is still online...

I checked other photos and there are several photos that appeared in "Luftwaffe in Focus" and "Götterdämmerung". I doubt that the seller has the "originals" as he states in his auctions (but I don't claim the opposite to be true since I don't know it. I am just expressing my opinion):

"This was reproduced from an original in my collection."

And to say that he meant "original copies" with "original" is in my opinion a bad excuse and a deception of potential buyers. Or has anyone of you ever seen a "fake copy"? What is the difference between an "original copy" and a "fake copy"??

To show photos for historical purposes is something completely different than selling copies for profit. While I admit that the LWCollectibles website showed scans taken from ebay auctions two years ago the purpose was to share historical knowledge and not to sell these photos or to make profit from it. LWCollectibles also never published photos coming directly from families without asking for permission.

The rightful owner of the Fw 190 photo (Zack) does not have anything against sharing the photos with historians who can help to find out more about its history therefore he shared the photos online. But he has something against other people trying to make profit with his own photos which I can perfectly understand. No matter what is legal according to the copyright law and what is not, I find this a sad and regretable thing to take other people's family photos and offer them for profit.

Regards
Roger