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Stinson
Hi All,
a simple attempt to approach to a forgotten crash in Stubaier Alps, Tirol, Austria. We have a part with big number 102, not engraved! A former index told me to be a Stinson, now it would say p-51. The front behind the prop shows clearly two cooling holes (openings). Never on a p-51. Crash day, season, year, pilot unknown. Pilot survived, a proposal. No records. 2600 m height. One witness told, that men carried down cigaretts and chocolates. Is there a homepage for Stinson friends ? Where could I publish some debris of the plane, wher all can open it. ? Thx for any suggestion. I try to reach the crashsite, which is said to be "empty". Best dnalor |
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Re: Stinson
Possibly-
11-01-1946 – Proctor C.3 - LZ642. 07-02-1946 – Proctor C.3 - HM363. From the Joe B USAF serial number database. Stinson L-5B Sentinel 42-99583 crashed Wels, Austria Dec 19, 1945. Pilot and passenger both killed. 42-99661 (1st Tactical AF) written off in non-fatal crash near Passau, Austria Jul 8, 1945. Or Have you looked here Accident-Report.com ? look for AUSTRIA you will find the following - 450701 TRIMM, CORNELIUS L-4H 43-30327 MIRECOURT, FRANCE SCHLAGEL, AUSTRIA 444 320 450709 DUNLEAVY, JOHN D UC-64A 43-35376 ANSBACH (R-45), GERMANY INNSBRUCK (R-88), AUSTRIA - 42 450725 STEALY, ALLISON R L-4H 43-29514 KAUFBEUREN (R-70), GERMANY ST JOHANN, AUSTRIA - 1 450912 PARSLOW, HENRY W L-4H 43-30252 HORSCHING (R-87), 406 371 451219 MUNOZ, ARMAND L-5 42-99583 VIENNA-TULLN (R-92), AUSTRIA WELS 1MI NE, AUSTRIA - 460315 HOLLAND, CLARENCE B L-5B 44-17111 ERDING AB, GERMANY REICHESBERG, AUSTRIA 43 - 460402 LEVY, STANLEY H L-5E 42-99214 HORSCHING AB, AUSTRIA WALDKIRKEN 2 MI NE, AUSTRIA 542 42 460506 OPENSHAW, BENJAMIN L L-5 42-99083 HORSCHING AB, AUSTRIA WEISSENBACH 1 MI SW, AUSTRIA 460629 TENNYSON, ALLEN R UC-45F 44-7675 TULLN AB, AUSTRIA TULLN AB, AUSTRIA 10 516 460710 FURAN, VINCENT C L-5B 44-17127 SALZBURG AB, AUSTRIA SALZBURG, AUSTRIA 4 442 460804 DAVIES, CLINTON W L-5 42-99017 TULLN AB, AUSTRIA VIENNA, AUSTRIA 461115 BUTLER, ARTHUR P L-5 42-98914 TULLN AB, AUSTRIA TULLN AB, AUSTRIA 10 313 461215 REED, WILLARD D L-5 42-98819 TULLN AB, AUSTRIA VIENNA, AUSTRIA 470213 OSWALT, JOHN W L-5A 42-99033 VIENNA, AUSTRIA TULLN AB, AUSTRIA HQ US FA 470522 LAPPIN, LYLE M UC-45F 44-47146 HORSCHING AB, AUSTRIA HORSCHING AB, AUSTRIA 548 548 470822 BOURG, CHARLES W L-5A 42-98548 HORSCHING AB, AUSTRIA RANSHOFEN, AUSTRIA HQ 4 CR 500806 BERGMAN, HAROLD O L-5A 42-99357 TULLN AB, AUSTRIA VIENNA, AUSTRIA 7306 - 510707 KENNEDY, WALTER C L-5 42-99282 TULLN AB, AUSTRIA VIENNA, AUSTRIA 7360 BCS 12 AF 520310 ST JOHN, WILBUR E L-5 42-99282 TULLN AB, AUSTRIA TULLN AB, AUSTRIA 7360 BCS 12 AF 530505 KELLY, CHARLES W III T-6F 44-81786 SALZBURG AB, AUSTRIA SALZBURG 31 MI, AUSTRIA 317 - 530505 KELLY, CHARLES W III T-6F 44-81786 SALZBURG AB, AUSTRIA SALZBURG, AUSTRIA HQ 317 ABG 540115 MCGEE, WILLIAM G H-19B 52-7510 FURSTENFELDBRUCK AB, GERMANY BLONS, AUSTRIA 84 12 540917 STOCKDELL, VICTOR B L-5 42-99282 TULLN AB, AUSTRIA VIENNA, AUSTRIA - 1142 Last edited by Alex Smart; 3rd August 2024 at 23:12. |
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Re: Stinson
Alex,
many thx for your great, burdensome work! |
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Re: Stinson
Alex,
many thx for your great, burdensome work! I went through the list too, but found no hint to the Stubail Alps or neighboring villages. |
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Re: Stinson
Continuation:
As soon as possible I try to get access to the police records, if they still exist. This step is hard to go, but i try it, even if it will last. The visit of the crashsite is a close goal too. I hope my reply can be read, there were difficulties... ATB dnalor |
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Re: Stinson
Just FYI and in case it was a Stinson after all: there also was the US Army's 4th Constabulary Air Section in Austria in the late 1940s. It was based at Camp McCauley (Hörsching) and had 9 x L-5 Sentinels. Among the duties were patrols along the borders of the Allied Zones.
The (HQ) USFA Air Section at Heiligenstadt airstrip (Wien) had a couple of L-5s as well. You may also want to check the online Austrian newspaper archives on https://anno.onb.ac.at/ (use Erweiterte Suche to narrow down years to look in) to see if the or like accident is recorded. Regards, Leendert Last edited by Leendert; 16th August 2024 at 16:51. Reason: Additional info |
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Re: Stinson
Leendert,
many thx for your effort. Please excuse my delay. Meanwhile we found a solution for the Stinson and it will be published here as soon as possible. Thx also for your hint to Austrian Historic Newspapers. I did not know it. So much can be studied there..... All the best TNT ginamod |