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I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
Hi all!
Does anybody have info about I./ZG 1 victories on this period? Poland, 1939; Denmark, 1940; Holland & France, 1940. I have only this notes; Date - Pilot - Enemy a/c type - Area - Time - Confirm 01.09.39 - ?./ZG 1 - pilot wanting - PZL P.24 – Warszawa -17:30- probably 04.09.39 - ?./ZG 1 - pilot wanting - PZL P.23 - Nakło - 12:00 - yes 06.09.39 - 3./ ZG 1 - Oblt.Walter Ehle - PZL P.24 - Warszawa – 5:15 - yes 07.09.39 - 1./ZG 1 - Oblt Victor Mölders - PZL P.37 - Radzymin – 16:10 - yes 07.09.39 - 3./ ZG 1 - Oblt.Walter Ehle - PZL P.37 - Radzymin – 16:10 - yes 07.09.39 - 3./ZG 1 - Lt.Wilhelm Spies(?) - PZL P.37 - Radzymin – 16:10-yes 17.09.39 - ?./ZG 1 - pilot wanting - PZL P.24 - Gabin - ? - yes ? Walter Ehle had 3 victories with I./ZG 1, what is 3rd? Same thing about Eduard Tratt - I know onli this: 1 1.6.1940 - Hurricane 1./ZG 1 Dunkirk 2 1.6.1940 - Hurricane 1./ZG 1 Dunkirk 3 1.6.1940 - Hurricane 1./ZG 1 Dunkirk With best wishes from Russia, Eugen. |
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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
Hello Eugen,
the claims for Poland 1939 you have listed are coming from my own work published in Poland in 2002 (Luftwaffe nad Polska 1939 cz.1 Jagdflieger, Armagedon). The last update is the following: 1.9.39: Pilot?, P.24 probable (?), Warsaw, ~17.30 5.9.39: Pilot?, P.24, Zakroczym, ~13.30 Pilot?, P.24, Truskaw, ~13.30 6.9.39: Olt. Ehle P.24, Warsaw, 5.15 7.9.39: ?Lt.Spiess?, P.37, Radzymin, ~16.05 Olt.Mölders, P.37, Radzymin, ~16.10 Olt.Ehle, P.37, Radzymin, 16.10 The first victory is my own speculation. On the 5.9. the unit fought with Polish 112 eskadra. The last lost 2 planes, a third forcelanded. I hoped the Russian archives could reveal more details (?). Best wishes, Marius |
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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
Thanks for answer!
I found this info on one of forums... Didnt knew the sources... Are those cliams the all that I./ZG 1 claimed in Poland? |
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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
At all 7 claims, of them 6 confirmed (?).
We have few documents here in Germany regarding I./ZG 1. I hope the Russian archives contain some "captured German papers". Marius |
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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
Unfortunatly, I have no access to "secret german documents"...
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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
Denmark - 09.04.40
Vaerløse (airfield outside Copenhagen), Lieutenant V.Gotfredsen (pilot) and 2nd Lieutenant G.F.Brodersen (observer), Fokker C.V. M/33 'R.49', appr. 5.20 a.m. (local time). A/C attacked during take off. According to Tony Wood's Combat Claims & Casualties List, the German pilot credited with this claim is Hptm. Wolfgang Falck, Stab I.ZG 76. Since this is the only Danish loss, it would be the only claim. Mikkel Plannthin |
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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
Thnk You very mutch, Peter!!!!
I can add only a little info about combat with Blenheims on 10th May, that I know: Quote:
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With best wishes, Evgenij.
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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
When a thread has developed into an argument between two members, I must ask those two members to conduct the argument in private or at least change the tone of said argument so it can continue as a civilized discussion.
Please take note of my second request.
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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
Hello all,
On 10 May 40 because of the heavy Ju 52 transport movements near Waalhaven/Rotterdam 600 Squadron detailed 6 Blenheims IF to this target. At low level the airfield was attacked and one Ju 52 of KGr zbV 172 was set on fire. At the very same time a formation of Ju 52s headed for Waalhaven. These were escorte by Me 110's of 2. and 3./ZG 1. Very heavy dogfights started - only one Blenheim (piloted by F/O Hayes) managed to escape and return. The others were shot down by the Me110's. The claims were made by: Oblt Werner Streib 1 Fw Paul Gildner 1 Uffz Müller 2 Oblt Möller 1 Other sources also mention Leutnant Knacke with one claim - he flew in the Schwarm of Streib, Gildner and Müller. Regards Rob |
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Re: I./ZG 1 claims in 1939 - 1940 - any info?
So think I, Ruy. The thread is concerning I./ZG 1 and we should stay at the topic. The 5th Sept. 1939 is very interesting. I know I am the first one who wrote something completely different regarding the action flown by the Polish 112 eskadra. I am also the first one who is providing hard evidence with German records. The time of many Polish legends is over now.
If there really exists a document confirming the fight of 111 eskadra on the 5th at the same time as the 112 eskadra, my research should be proved again. For now I am sure I./ZG 1 claimed here 2 victories. But nevertheless I could be wrong. So again I request Franek to show us this particular document regarding 111 eskadra. I think it does not exist, but maybe Franek will surprise me. If my research is correct we would have all 6 victories of I./ZG 1 for Poland (also 6 victories were stated by the Kommandeur after the Polish campaign).: 5.9. 2 P.24 6.9. 1 P.24 7.9. 3 P.37 The one probable victory I suppose on the 1.9. could be wrong, I know it well. It is possible Luftflotte 1 documents also counted the wrongly shot down Hs 126 of 2.(H)/21. At first the unknown pilot of I./ZG 1 reported he had shot down a Polish recon aircraft very similar to the Henschel Hs 126 (!!!). Marius |
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