Monoplane ID Needed

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay there is a photo of a monoplane at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Flugzeugbild...0AAOSwlupfsRgE


Can anyone identify the machine shown? Initially I thought the aircraft was German, but looking again at the personnel in the second photo with the Nieuport I now think they're Russian.


Regards,


Clint

[bearoutwest]

Hi Clint,


Possibly an early Morane Saulnier H (or the German manufactured version Pfalz E.1). Bigger than the Fokker Eindekker, and with the split control wire posts aft of the main undercarriage.


Regards,
...geoff

[musec04]

Hello Geoff,


Thanks for the reply.When I saw the photo I thought that the designer had been at a minimum,inspired by Morane and as far as the front end goes I'm in total agreement with you. And the undercarriage looks very MS.Its just that to my eyes the tail looks a little different from anything I've seen on a MS machine... Maybe a Russian built derivative? Edit Having said that, it does look a bit like the tail on this MS Type L: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morane...C_markings.jpg


Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

100% Russian Clint

I can only see a general resemblance to the Morane in this case.

The nose is quite distinctive, having what looks like a longer "snout", including a quite pronounced "hump" for the pilot. The fin/rudder looks sort of triangular with the actual rudder bulging out a bit.
Also the undercarriage looks more strongly built than "normal"

The big problem is that is seems very much operational, so perhaps a one off design made outside of any production center?

I also tried the Masslov book, but nothing really stands out.
Possibly a derivative of the designs made by Tereshchenko (without being actually his).

No I have no really good answer to this one Clint

Cheers
Stig

[Col Bruggy]

Hello,

A photograph of the same (two-seater) aircraft appears in the following publication:

Russian Aviation Colours 1909-1922 Book I
Khairulin,Marat & Boris Stepanov
Sandomierz:Stratus/Mushroom Model Publications,2015.
p.24.

The caption reads:

Morane-Saulnier of the Officers Aviation School Aerial Fleet Division. OVF pennant is attached under the wing, 1913. (From the collection of G. F. Petrov).

Col.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Pretty stunning ID if you ask me.

I cannot locate a single Morane-Saulnier which looks like this.
If someone used a Morane as a basis for this one, it certainly has been heavily modified.

Cheers
Stig