Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 1st April 2024, 17:43
Peter Cook Peter Cook is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 260
Peter Cook is on a distinguished road
Did KG 54 take part in the Warmwell Raid on 25 August 1940

According to Siegfried Radtke's history of KG 54, Ju 88s of II Gruppe took part in the raid on Portland, Weymouth and Warmwell airfield on 25 August 'in association with II./KG 51'. However, the Luftflotte 3 Einzelmeldung makes no mention of KG 54 in its detailed listing of all the Luftflotte 3 units that took part in this attack, which identifies specific Geschwader (KG 51, JG 2, JG 27, JG 53, ZG 2, ZG 76 and V(Z)./LG 1), Gruppen and numbers of aircraft.

Is Radtke correct?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 1st April 2024, 17:47
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,286
Chris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura about
Re: Did KG 54 take part in the Warmwell Raid on 25 August 1940

No evidence that KG 54 was there-just I, II and III./KG 51
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 1st April 2024, 19:49
Peter Cook Peter Cook is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 260
Peter Cook is on a distinguished road
Re: Did KG 54 take part in the Warmwell Raid on 25 August 1940

Thanks Chris, that was my assumption, however several authors appear to have picked up on Radtke's inclusion of KG 54 in this raid.

Peter
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 1st April 2024, 21:40
Nick Beale's Avatar
Nick Beale Nick Beale is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Exeter, England
Posts: 5,839
Nick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura about
Re: Did KG 54 take part in the Warmwell Raid on 25 August 1940

On the other hand, if you take a look at my website: http://www.ghostbombers.com/1940/Eag...le/edbb07.html

(Starting from the third paragraph on the page)
__________________
Nick Beale
http://www.ghostbombers.com
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 2nd April 2024, 10:22
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,286
Chris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura about
Re: Did KG 54 take part in the Warmwell Raid on 25 August 1940

Looks like KG 54 were stood down as I./KG 51 sent 9 ac, II 16 and III 12 ac to attack Warmwell with no mention at all of KG 54
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 2nd April 2024, 11:00
Nick Beale's Avatar
Nick Beale Nick Beale is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Exeter, England
Posts: 5,839
Nick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura aboutNick Beale has a spectacular aura about
Re: Did KG 54 take part in the Warmwell Raid on 25 August 1940

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Goss View Post
Looks like KG 54 were stood down as I./KG 51 sent 9 ac, II 16 and III 12 ac to attack Warmwell with no mention at all of KG 54
No argument there but if KG 54 were repeatedly put on standby for a raid that kept being postponed, you can see how Radtke might have got the idea that they actually had taken part.
__________________
Nick Beale
http://www.ghostbombers.com
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 2nd April 2024, 20:00
Peter Cook Peter Cook is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 260
Peter Cook is on a distinguished road
Re: Did KG 54 take part in the Warmwell Raid on 25 August 1940

Thank you Andy and Nick for the additional information. I have a translation of the Luftflotte 3 Einzelmeldung for this date and one of the aspects that has convinced me that KG54 did not take part in this operation is that the Einzelmeldung is very detailed in its description of the units, number of aircraft, etc., and so it would be very surprising if KG54's possible role was overlooked by the detail-oriented officer that wrote the report.

Peter
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 2nd April 2024, 21:06
Peter T Peter T is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 165
Peter T is on a distinguished road
Re: Did KG 54 take part in the Warmwell Raid on 25 August 1940

I have been working in detail on KG 54, and have no real proof that they took part in the raid. However, one has to be very careful with the Luftflotte 3 Meldungen, they are not complete. Several operations are missing.
Peter
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
JG 54 losses on (or around) 10 August 1943 Laurent Rizzotti Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 6 5th September 2012 18:56
RAF losses 5./6. March 1945 JanZ Allied and Soviet Air Forces 13 25th February 2012 12:40
Luftwaffe Air Sea Rescue in 1940 Andy Saunders Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 8 2nd September 2010 19:15
JG 54 loss on 18 August 1944 Laurent Rizzotti Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 9 28th August 2009 07:47
Book on French AF 1939-40? The_Catman Allied and Soviet Air Forces 68 10th August 2008 15:58


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 21:57.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net