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Old 3rd February 2008, 22:26
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2 photos of Bf110, II./ZG 1 (II./SKG 210) - identified?

Hi all!

I am curious about two photos, wich usually states as "the same aircraft".

But if we will look closer, some differenses appeares.

1st image:
http://pics.livejournal.com/bersrk/pic/00004ktg
1. We see here NEW styled Balkencross (with large white parts).
2. The only individual mark of aircraft is +S (White)
3. White "winter" paint is weared, and part of fuselage under the horisontal stabiliser is clear from it.

Also, it carryies 4 (or 3?) victory bars on fin.

Carrying Wespe emblem, it is SKG210/ZG 1 aircraft. But I Gruppe was withdrown from front in winter 1941/1942, so, this aircraft must be from 4./SKG 210 or 4./ZG 1. So, full code of it must be S9+SM.

It is Bf110C modification, but not C-6 or C-7 (engine, no MG intake on nose, no bombracks under wings, old spinners).

John Vasco's list does not shows any C-4's of 4 Staffel, without code, damaged in flight or landing accidents, just two Bf 110 C-4 from II Gruppe damaged.

2nd image:
http://pics.livejournal.com/bersrk/pic/00003c26
This aircraft is stated as victim of AAA battery of Lt. N.Kulier, early spring 1942.

1. Aircraft has OLD style Balkencross (with thick white parts).
2. Individual marks are ?9+S (Yellow)
3. Part of fuselage under the horisontal stabiliser is wearing winter colour.

"Yellow S", mark of 6 Staffel, and such style of winter camo (6./ZG 26 used some kind of "white Wellenmuster" in that time) gives us only 1 mach - 6./ZG 1 (or 6./SKG 210).

Now we can clear identify this aircraft using John Vasco's losslist:

27.02.42, Bf 110 C-6, S9+SP, 2249, Fw. Ludwig Schmidhuber KiA, Ogefr. Robert Kissler KiA. Both crewmen killed on combat mission. South of Mosalsk.

Gents - any ideas, who flew in S9+SM? Any aces with several victoryes known from 4./ZG 1? May be StaKa, Hptm. Walter Poka von Pokafalva (who was killed in Bf110E on 07.03.42) ? How many victories he had?

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Old 23rd June 2024, 04:50
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Re: 2 photos of Bf110, II./ZG 1 (II./SKG 210) - identified?

After looking through various publications, the most I discovered about S9+SM was that in the picture the Bf 110 is flying over Smolensk in December 1941 and was based in Orel.

Source: Dominique Breffort and André Jouineau, Planes and Pilots: Messerschmitt Me 110 1939-1945, p. 21.

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Bf110 II./SKG 210

In the Batailles Aériennes magazine issue 16, on page 40, it is stated that the aircraft S9+SM of SKG 210 flies over the Smolensk sector in the winter of 1941-1942.
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