Fl.Ü.G 1 pilots

[Eric Larger]

Dear all

I am looking for these following log books or other documents concerning FlÜG1 , or a copy of it four my researches . They are of great help to clarify the production schedule and the delivery process to front units . The period of time required is Nov 1944 - May 1945 .

Ofw Maurer 4(Nord) ./ Fl.Ü.G 1
Ofw Dickel 4(Nord) ./ Fl.Ü.G 1
Uffz Bugalahn 2(Ost)./ Fl.Ü.G 1
Ofw Becker 4(Nord) ./ Fl.Ü.G 1
Ofw Himmelreich 2(Ost)./ Fl.Ü.G 1
Ofw Hopp 2(Ost)./ Fl.Ü.G 1

As well as

Ofw Weinpahl Lft. Reich ?

Any documents will be fully appreciated and helpfull for me

Best regards to all of you

Eric Larger

[Norbert Schuchbauer]

Hi Eric,
there was no Luftflotte Reich Gruppe in Fl.Ü.G. 1. Below is the structure as of 23-Sep-43 the source is RL 10/677. Hope this will help a little.

Norbert

Fl.Ü.G. 1 (23. Sep. 1943)
{Kriegsgliederungsmäßige Zugehörigkeit Lg. Kdo. III (mit Ausnahme Südost)}
{Structural war subordination to Lg. Kdo III with the exception of Südost}
{Ersatztruppenteil: Fliegendes Personal Frontfliegersammelgruppe}
{Replacement unit for flying personnel is Frontfliegersammelgruppe}

Stab – Jüterbog

Gruppe Nord
Stab – Wittenberge
1. Staffel – Wittenberge (Kampf- und Jagdflugzeuge)
2. Staffel – Barth (Kampfflugzeuge)
3. Staffel – Anklam (Kampf- und Jagdflugzeuge)
4. Staffel – Gutenfeld (Kampf- und Jagdflugzeuge)
5. Staffel – Dessau (Insterburg) (Kampf- und Jagdflugzeuge)

Gruppe Ost
Stab – Krakau
1. Staffel – Krakau
2. Staffel – Krakau
3. Staffel – Krakau

Gruppe Süd
Stab – Erding
1. Staffel – Erding
2. Staffel – Erding
3. Staffel – Erding
4. Staffel – Frankfurt/Rebstock

Gruppe West
Stab – Villacoublay/Süd
1. Staffel – Antwerpen (Jagdflugzeuge)
2. Staffel – Villacoublay (Kampf- und Jagdflugzeuge)
3. Staffel – Villacoublay (Kampf- und Jagdflugzeuge)
4. Stafflel – Münster/Loddenheide (Kampf- und Jagdflugzeuge)
5. Staffel – Rommily (Kampf- und Jagdflugzeuge)

Gruppe Mitte
Stab – Berlin/Tempelhof
1. Staffel – Berlin/Tempelhof
2. Staffel – Berlin/Tempelhof
3. Staffel – Dresden/Heller
4. Staffel – Dresden/Heller
5. Staffel – Bernburg

Gruppe Südost
{Kriegsgliederungsmäßige Zugehörigkeit Lg. Kdo. XVII. Ersatz Truppenteil Fl. Ers. Batl. XVII}
{Structural war subordination to Lg. Kdo XVII. Replacement troop unit Fl. Ers. Batl. XVII}

Stab – Wien/Aspern
5. Staffel – Wien/Aspern
6. Staffel – Wiener Neustadt
7. Staffel – Prag/Gbell
5. to 7. Staffel up until now part of Gruppe Ost

Ausbildungs und Ergänzungs Gruppe
Stab – Jüterbog
1. Staffel – Jüterbog
2. Staffel – Jüterbog
3. Staffel – Jüterbog

[net_sailor]

Hi!
According this site:
http://www.ww2.dk/air/misc/flug1.htm

Gruppe Nord was formed on 23.9.43 in Elbing with 1. - 4. Staffeln. There is known any other info about presence Fl.Ü.G. 1 Gruppe Nord on this airfield? How long stationed or about their equipment (any transport a/c for gathering a pilots?).
I suspect this Gruppe being responsible for transfering Bf's to Finland.
I found single ferry flight of Bf 109 G-6/Trop W.Nr. 411520 (Erla - Lepizg) Stammkennzeichen RW+VQ:
Anklam-Elbing: Mar 7 1944 10.15 – 11.30hrs,
Elbing-Riga: Mar 14 1944 14.05 – 15.40hrs,
Riga-Malmi: Mar 16 1944 12.15 - 13.30hrs,
Malmi-Kuorevesi: Mar 16 1944 14.40 – 15.25hrs,
In Finland a/c became MT-402 and served in 3/HLeLv34 (from 4th Apr 1944).
This a/c belonged to 411XXX series bulild on autumn(?) 1943 (I guess the built up time on basis some details showing on photo: low tail, loop antenna, cockpit canopy older type but with Gallandpanzer). If it's true I wat to ask: it is a normal situation, that delivery a/c from factory to the combat unit takes few months?

[Eric Larger]

Many thanks Dear Friends

These post are interesting for me .

No I mean by Lft Reich than Ofw Weinpahl was belonging maybe to Lft Reich , not to FLÜG 1

Best regards

Eric

[S Sheflin]

Eric,

Am I correct in recalling that most of the listed Fl.Ü.G 1 pilot names are from Jim Crow's Großostheim "Kladde?" I don't have my copy handy, but they sure sound familiar.

Steve Sheflin

[Eric Larger]

Hello Steve

Your are right , this document is really interesting and worthy for our researches , but to complete the our on the Fw 190D-9 production and deliveries , we need to know whether these log books are still existing .

You can easily imagine how the delivery flights could be interesting .

Eric

[Dénes Bernád]

I am also very interested in Fl.Ü.G 1 Ost (East) and Südost (South-East), as these units ferried Henschel Hs 129s to the Eastern Front, as well as various airplanes to Central and East European Axis air forces.

I would appreciate any info regarding these topics. I only hope I can reciprocate the information.

[thenelm]

No offense meant to the poster, but didn't Eric pass away a couple of years ago? Eric was one of the first guys I was in contact with on this board at its original site. Eric was a great guy and very helpful to me, as I would like to think I was to him with our exchanges of information. I was very saddened by his loss. I appreciate the 'In Memoriam' thing, but why the anonymity, or posting in his name? Again, no offense intended. I still miss his input to this site.

As to the FlÜG1 topic, there is a hand-written listing of their 109 losses out there, or at least the fatalities of said unit - I was very fortunate to get a copy of this many years ago, but the Schulen losses list lots of other 109s with non-fatal losses, along with many other aircraft types and casualties through Sep-44, much more than I would have expected. Jim P.

[Peter Kassak]

Jim,
the loss of Eric struck a lot of us. But this topic was started I think by him alone, while he was among us. This is just not closed topic which popped up from forgottneness when posted by Junior member Darth Wader.
R.I.P. Eric....

[eknutson]

Is it possible to sorce the pilot of Fl.Ü.G 1 hwo transfaird Me109 G2 W.Nr 14055 NI + BY from Erla antwerpen in the Week 1 - 10.03 1943 to værløse?

Regards
Ernst Knutson