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Battle for Kiev 1941: VVS order of battle
Similar job for the 1941-battle around the ukrainian capital as we made it so well for the 1943-story... but this time it is much more difficult as there are no such clear documents available - at leat not to me.
Who can help? Maybe in BC/RS1, there is something? Sadly, I don't own it . |
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Re: Battle for Kiev 1941: VVS order of battle
I found out that the involved RedArmies Group was the "Bryansk Front" with its connected air units... but which air units are these & which types they used still is unclear.
Does anyone have informations here? |
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Re: Battle for Kiev 1941: VVS order of battle
Hi,
believe, you know bit russian. See attachment, there is OOB of Bryansk Front for September 15 1941. |
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Re: Battle for Kiev 1941: VVS order of battle
You mistook me. Defence of Kiev made Aviation of Jugozapadnyi Front. See in attachment OOB for July 11 and 17 1941.
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Re: Battle for Kiev 1941: VVS order of battle
I personally still believe that it was the Bryansk Front which flew in Defense of Kiev. Why do you disagree?
Starting from your OOB-doc of Bryansk-Front, it was widely inferior to the german II&V Fliegerkorps which supported the Heer. Here are the soviet numbers, already simplified for the game PF: 10 I-153 13 I-16 44 MiG-3 25 Yak-1 26 Il-2 40 DB-3 (added them as support from AAD-forerunner) 24 Pe-2 18 Sb 25 Su-2 33 U-2 (incl. others like R-5) SUM ca. 260 versus ca. 500 Luftwaffe combat AC (Bf109F, Ju88, Ju87, He111 + Recce). Any more input? |
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Re: Battle for Kiev 1941: VVS order of battle
IMHO Michal is right, Southwestfront (Jugosapadnje front) and airplanes of it defended Kiev, since Bryansk is more in the north of it.
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