Another wreck of Bf110

[FPSOlkor]

Any data available?

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Hi,

Well, according to the Werknummer on ther armored plate this could be the remains of Bf 110E-2 WNr.3722 of 1./ZG26 which crashed due unknown reason on the 12. August 1941 near Lipowo. Pilot Uffz. Werner Hofmann was killed, the markings were 3U+JH (white J).

regards,
Tomislav

[FPSOlkor]

Originally Posted by Tomislav Haramincic

Hi,

Well, according to the Werknummer on ther armored plate this could be the remains of Bf 110E-2 WNr.3722 of 1./ZG26 which crashed due unknown reason on the 12. August 1941 near Lipowo. Pilot Uffz. Werner Hofmann was killed, the markings were 3U+JH (white J).

regards,
Tomislav

It seems that there is a claim from 159 IAP for 110 shot down in that vicinity at that day...

[FPSOlkor]

Thanks!
The aircraft was found near rail station Chudovo. The shields show that plane was a Bf 110 C-2??? Is it possible that armor was replaced from crashed plane to another one?

[stephen f. polyak]

My experience with sub-component/subassembly ID plates, like those shown here for the Bf 110, confirms that the model designation on a plate (e.g., C-1 or C-2) may sometimes not match the model designation of the host airplane (e.g., E-2). The reason for this is simple, certain standard parts were sometimes used/reused on various models without change to the (original) plate or plate entries. (Although, as shown here, the MIAG plate was updated, by restamping, from C-1 to C-2.) Given the many production, repair, and remanufacturing processes employed to produce and sustain large numbers of parts under deteriorating wartime circumstances, finding a part marked for one model on a different model comes as no surprise. Gotha and MIAG plates like these are both common on Bf/Me 110 airframe parts, but do not typically provide an airplane’s main W.Nr. The armor panel marked W.Nr. 3722 is a fortunate indicator of the likely origin of this wreckage. That said, yes, the armor also could have been used on another plane without having the W.Nr. revised.

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Originally Posted by FPSOlkor

Thanks!
The aircraft was found near rail station Chudovo. The shields show that plane was a Bf 110 C-2??? Is it possible that armor was replaced from crashed plane to another one?

Hello all,

I've looked up the places on map and there seem to be a quite big distance between Chudovo (Novgorod region) and Lipowo (Ukraine). As the remains were found near a railway station, is it possible that these remains are from many different planes? Have you checked if there are other parts from other planes in the pile?
I'm not Bf 110 expert, so i can't really tell what the exact difference is between the C-2 and E-2 models is, and if parts from a C-2 can be used/reused on a E-2. Perahps someone knows more about this?

regards,
Tomislav

[FPSOlkor]

Originally Posted by Tomislav Haramincic

Hello all,

I've looked up the places on map and there seem to be a quite big distance between Chudovo (Novgorod region) and Lipowo (Ukraine). As the remains were found near a railway station, is it possible that these remains are from many different planes? Have you checked if there are other parts from other planes in the pile?
I'm not Bf 110 expert, so i can't really tell what the exact difference is between the C-2 and E-2 models is, and if parts from a C-2 can be used/reused on a E-2. Perahps someone knows more about this?

regards,
Tomislav

There also is a Lipovo near Leningrad...

[Tomislav Haramincic]

Originally Posted by FPSOlkor

There also is a Lipovo near Leningrad...

Yes you are right, (I found another in Poland). I guess this Lipovo near Leningrad should be the right Lipovo. The base of I./ZG26 at that time was Sarudinye which is also in this region.
I think we solved this part of the mystery. What remains are the C-2 marked plates. I would like to point out the possibilty that these parts that were found might not all be from the same airplane. As Andreas already said, these parts my have been transported from a collecting site back to Germany, and Chudowo was perhaps just a station where such wrecks and parts were loaded on the train.

[RT]

3122 was lost by IV.NJG1 training unit, nd didn't appear in the losses of 1941 or 1942

Rémi

[FPSOlkor]

Originally Posted by Tomislav Haramincic

Yes you are right, (I found another in Poland). I guess this Lipovo near Leningrad should be the right Lipovo. The base of I./ZG26 at that time was Sarudinye which is also in this region.
I think we solved this part of the mystery. What remains are the C-2 marked plates. I would like to point out the possibilty that these parts that were found might not all be from the same airplane. As Andreas already said, these parts my have been transported from a collecting site back to Germany, and Chudowo was perhaps just a station where such wrecks and parts were loaded on the train.

The exact location of the wreck was about 10-15 km off the Chudovo towards Verebje lake in the marsh... And it definitelly had crashed from the air. I think that perhaps AC underwent some repairs, and for example damaged tail section was replaced with available one - from C-2...