Red-Cross marked He59s July 1940

[Brian]

Hi guys

Regarding the shooting down by the RAF of Red-Crossed marked He59s in early July 1940, we know that D-ASAM and D-ASUO were painted white, but what about D-AGIO lost on 11 July?

Were there any other incidents of German civilian-marked aircraft shot down by the RAF or ground fire?

Cheers
Brian

[Brian Bines]

Brian,

Dont know if you are interested in this one Fw200 Condor D-AHML 'Pomerania' shot down on 27-9-1944 at 2030hrs by a Beaufighter of US 415th NFS. Condor on the Stuttgart to Barcelona run Flg. Kap Limon plus two crew and five passengers killed in crash Dole/Dijon, there was a web Page on this one.
I believe Condor D-ARHW of DLH 'Friesland' was shot down into the sea while on a flight to Sweden on 29-11-44, I have no more details, or if this was an own goal.
I assume both of these were in DLH rather than Luftwaffe markings,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Amrit1]

Can't help you with incidents but have you seen this Brian

http://www.battleofbritain1940.net/document-25.html

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YYjw0QK0wE

[Seaplanes]

As a reaction to the loss of many Seenotdienst aircraft to RAF fighters and other aircraft, the Führungsstab of Oberkommando der Luftwaffe issued an order on 29.07.1940, that all Seenotdienst aircraft, until then flown with civil registrations and red cross markings, should immediately be armed and painted as normal frontline aircraft. Of course it did take some time before all aircraft received new paint. At the same time the civil registrations were dropped and the aircraft received standard Stammkennzeichen.

Your aircraft that was lost on 11.07.40 was definately white with red cross markings.

[Brian]

Thanks Seaplanes

Next question!! Can anyone provide first names etc of the crews of the three ASR He59s in question:

1/7/40 D-ASAM (Ielsen/Fehske/Stuckman/Philipp) POW

9/7/40 D-ASUO (Maywald/Bartmann/Anders/Schiele) POW

11/7/40 D-AGIO (NCO crew - names unknown) POW??

Thanks in advance
Cheers
Brian

[Hans Nauta]

Hello again Brian,

Everything OK with you?

With regard to the first names I cann add:
FF Uffz Ernst-Otto Nielsen (not Ielsen)
BO Lt Hans-Joachim Fehske
BF Geft Erich Phillip
BM Uffz Struckmann (no first name and last name Struckmann instead of Stuckmann

Much appreciated if anyone can add the Erkennungsmarken (identity numbers) too!

Best wishes,
Hans Nauta

[Brian Bines]

Brian,

11-7-40 My notes say put down with engine trouble off the Cornish coast crew picked up by second He59. QM's returns has He59 Seenot 1 100% Fighter fire, crew rescued unhurt no names shown.

1-7-40 Uffz Ernst Ielsen, Ltn. Hans Joachim Fehske, Ogef Erich Philipp, Uffz ? Stuckmann,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Brian]

Hi Brian

Good to hear from you. Trust you are well.

The 'Blenheim' claimed by Hptm Wiggers may have been an Anson of 217 Squadron. Perhaps someone will confirm etc.

The He59 shot down by 604 Squadron Blenheims - what was its registration markings?

Regarding the He59 shot down by 610 Squadron - I have no details. Are you able to provide names of the Spitfire pilots etc?

A fascinating subject. Thanks for all the responses.

Cheers
Brian

[Brian Bines]

Brian,

The He 59 that fell to 610 Sqd. was claimed by F/L Edward Smith (according to Mason in the text for 11th Aug. but not shown in the pilot victory list ) who next day was shot down off Dover and baled out into the Channel. He was picked up by an MTB, lucky he did not need the services of the Seenotdienst. Unfortunately at this stage the Luft. QM's returns are very light on aircraft details just giving the type, in this case no mark, code or werk-nummer for the He59,

Regards

Brian Bines

[Chris Goss]

D-AFFK fell to a Hudson of 206 Sqn if my memory serves me right-if someone has access to my book they can confirm this