Fw190 pics - long and short nose.

[markjsheppard]

Thought I would post three pics provided by the family of a US Air Force serviceman.

Not 100% but could be at either Kitzingen or Straubing.

Assume a D-9 and F-8 as well as a few others and a Ju52.

Any more info would be interesting to know.

regards

Mark

[Jerry Crandall]

Hi Mark,
Nice shots, thanks for posting them. The location is Straubing,Germany and the D-9 is the well known "White 15" W.Nr. 600651.
Cheers, Jerry

[Mark Proulx]

Hi:

The Dora is White 15, W.Nr. 600651 photographed at Straubing. This photo, less the damage, is published in the latest Dora book Vol 2 from Eagle Editions.

HTH

Mark Proulx

[thenelm]

The Fw 190F-8 WNr. appears to 58x 351.

[S Sheflin]

Hi Mark, Jerry, et al,


Thanks for posting these great photos. They helped me fill in some gaps in my data.

• F-8 5+ I Bk, WNr. 580351, SG unit uncertain, was one of approximately 17 Fw 190s found at Straubing.

• Ju 53/3m 7A+AH, from Luftverkehrsgruppe Rangsdorf, was found at Mons, Belgium. It also features a yellow diagonal stripe and numeral 3 on its rudder.

Steve Sheflin

[markjsheppard]

Thank you one and all.

So no know unit for the D-9

Did the F-8 belong to SG2?

Thought the yellow cowling ring was with this unit of SG10?

regards

Mark

[yogybär]

Nice pictures!

The yellow ring was a marking applied within Luftflotte 4. The machine should also have the yellow "V" under a wing.

Several Schlachtgruppen were subordinated to LF 4 when Germany surrendered, all of SG 10 as well as I./SG2.

[bavgan]

Dear Mark,

I can not say anything about the identity of these aircraft. However I am very sure that at least one person here at this forum will make some cheap prints from these scans and will sell them at eBay for 6 USD with a statement "All pictures and descriptions used in my auctions under COPYRIGHT and I forbid the use of these photos and information in any manner such as paper or electronic (internet) publications or otherwise. Use is solely based on my authorization only."

I bet he will even say "This item is a new print from the original."

This happened in the past and it will happen again because these "cheap" people are still around.

Best wishes,

batur

[Jerry Crandall]

Hi all,
These Luftflotte 4 a/c also have a yellow rudder as "black 5" does.
Cheers, Jerry

[S Sheflin]

Hello all,

I propose that Fw 190 D-9 WNr. 600651, “15+ White,” last operated with I./JG 2. While I have no absolute proof, several things point to the possibility.

1.) Jim Crow’s “KLADDE” (Record Book) for Großostheim (March 17 to 25, 1945) lists dozens of I./JG 2 Fw 190 D-9s by aircraft markings, including a “15+ White” flown operationally as late as 45/03/24 by Gefr. Weis.

2.) As noted below, newly delivered D-9s are first listed by Werknummern, then quickly disappear from the record, only to reappear as replacements for lost normally marked aircraft. Therefore, if there was a “15+ White” in late March, there is a good chance that one existed at war’s end.

3.) “15+ White” was abandoned at Straubing, which is not far from Merzhausen, where I./JG 2 was based.

4.) Finally, while some scoff at the idea that 600651 operated with I./JG 2 because it lacks that unit’s Yellow/White/Yellow RV bands, I just wonder if every JG 2 machine received these markings during those last hectic days of the war.

Just for fun, I am including a list of newly delivered D-9s to I./JG 2 in March, 1945:

WNr. 400293 was delivered on 45/03/18. It was probably remarked as “7+ Y” and flown operationally by Obltn. Herdler the next day.
WNr. 400304 was delivered on 45/03/19 by Ofw. Becker of 4.(Nord)/FLÜG 1. Probably remarked, it never appears again.
WNr. 400305 appears on 45/03/18 being flown operationally by Uffz. Henne. Probably remarked, it never appears again.
WNr. 400306 was delivered on 45/03/19 by Ofw. Dickel of 4.(Nord)/FLÜG 1. Probably remarked, it never appears again.
WNr. 400308 was delivered on 45/03/19 by Ofw. Maurer of 4.(Nord)/FLÜG 1. Probably remarked, it never appears again.
WNr. 500687 was delivered on 45/03/20 by Uffz. Bugalahn of 2.Ost) FLÜG 1 Erfurt-Nord. Probably remarked, it never appears again.
500655 was delivered on 45/03/21 by Ofw. Himmelreich of 2.(Ost) FLÜG 1 Erfurt-Nord. Probably remarked, it never appears again.
WNr. 500659 was delivered on 45/03/21 by Ofw. Hopp of 2.(Ost) FLÜG 1 Erfurt-Nord. Probably remarked, it never appears again.
WNr. 601288 was delivered on 45/03/21 and last noted flying operationally with Uffz. Sworank the next day.

I realize that none of this is definitive, but it makes for an interesting topic nonetheless. Hopefully, others will have something to say regarding my idea.

Steve Sheflin