aircraft destroyed on the ground on Midway June 1942

[Santiago]

Hello
This is a question that has been bugging me for a while, in the John Ford film Battle of Midway there is a scene that shows a destoyed biplane and what appears to be a B-17 silver in the background. Also Japanese claimed to have detroyed one B-17 and damaged a second. Also in a interview with John Ford he mentions the destruction of Grumman Duck.
While official reports from Midway dont mention any aircraft lost on the ground?????

Thank you
Santiago

[Leendert]

Santiago,

You may be interested to read this here: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/...-Midway-5.html

It tells of a Navy (Grumman) J2F being on fire, the one you're after. Whole story is worth to look through for other ground losses.

Regards,

Leendert

[Laurent Rizzotti]

The USN Overseas list available at http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/src/USN/LLJun42.htm shows no ground loss on Midway this day.

The J2F-2 Buno 1209 is listed as being lost at Midway on 29 June 1942. Maybe it was fatally damaged during the battle and SOC this date ?

[Mark E Horan]

Gents;

The J2F, the NAS hack, was destroyed on 4 June, burned out after strafing. There was also the "JFU", a mock up built of various pieces of metal and aircraft parts. That was hit by a bomb and blown apart.

There was one USAAF B-17E on the ground during the attack with a burned out engine. It was a 42nd BS (H) plane that had arrived the day before with that engine feathered and the crew was trying to fix it up and thus unable to depart prior to the attack. It was strafed, and suffered several holes and, amongst other damage, a flat tire. That was replaced and the aircraft was eventually flown back to Hawaii on three engines, but I don't recall exactly when.

There were also ten SB2U-3s on the ground during the attack, eight spares since the arrival of the SBD-2s, without crews to fly them (2046, 2048, 2052, 2054, 2055, 2056, 2058 & 2065), one that had its prop damaged during the pre dawn warm ups when a taxiing PBY hit it with its wing float (2059; both a/c became unserviceable, a spare was used during the attack) and one that returned after takeoff (2062). None of those were were destroyed either, though two (2048, 2058) were damaged enough to be unfit for further combat operations until overhauled.

FYI, that aviation database noted above contains numerous errors. Assuredly no VF-6 aircraft were lost on 1 June, and several other aircraft listed have incorrect dates. I assume the individual aircraft cards were used - but they are often inaccurate, as they were filled out retroactively and the most significant reason they were was to strike aircraft off charge - exact dates for that hardly mattered as long as it was listed stricken. A much more accurate record can be found in the ComAirBatFor weekly summary reports, although even they have errors (which can be found by pulling the Aircraft Trouble Reports, if extant - the investigation done after an accident.) or combat unit reports.

Mark E. Horan

[Leendert]

The B-17E took off again on three engines on 4 Jun 1942 at 5 a.m. local.
Source: US NAS Midway Island (Action Report of the Battle of Midway).

Regards,

Leendert

[Santiago]

Gentlemen

Thank you for your answers to my questions about the aircraft that were destroyed on the ground during the attack. Mark the B-17E that you mention is that the one the shows up in that particular scene in the background and its silver? with the three marines running to seek cover?

Thanks in advance
Santiago