Bf109 G-10 late war - but very interesting camo !

[KrisJG3]

Here is one of the Polish Bf109G10 from 318 Polish Fighter Division from Treviso March 1946

http://www.samolotypolskie.pl/samolo...hmitt-Me-109G2

More photos and very interesting article in Polish:
http://www.polishairforce.pl/messerschmitt.html

Source:
Zmyślony W. ”Polski Messerschmitt Bf 109”. ”Polskie Siły Powietrzne w II wojnie światowej”.


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By the way:

Dears Collegues,

I still looking for camuflage, painting and old photos with Bf109 G10 made by Erla (Werk Nr's: 490130-399) which could belong to JG3 and other units.
Maybe somebody have something new from ebay, private collection, ... etc.

Best regards,

Kris

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Kris,

this is Bf 109 G-14/AS W.Nr. 782 104 (?) "Crna 4", flown by deserting pilot Vladimir Sandtner, 15 (Croat)./JG 52, Falconara, 16 April 1945. The W.Nr. is not fully known: it was reported in the British Report as W.Nr. 2104.

Cheers
Marc

[KrisJG3]

YES

Lt. Vladimir Sandtner (on Bf 109G-10, "black 4") and
Lt. Josip Cekovic (on Bf 109G-14, "black 10")

both pilots deserted the same day. Numebers I don't know.

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by KrisJG3

Lt. Vladimir Sandtner (on Bf 109G-10, "black 4") and

Not a G-10 but an G-14/AS like Marc wrote ...

Regards
Rasmussen

[KrisJG3]

So probably I must inform author of text about small update of article

Thanks for info.

What is the source of this information with another type ?

[veltro]

Originally Posted by KrisJG3

What is the source of this information with another type ?

Rasmussen is an authority in this field, so his word would and should suffice...

Anyway, not to remember again our last exchange, but remember when I wrote...

Originally Posted by veltro

(...in) the late '80s, when we all were convinced that the presence of DB 605AS would have been the only explaination to the absence of the "chin-bulges" which - we all assumed then - were the trade mark of the DB 605D... (until we years later learned by hard evidence - photographic too - that it was just a cowl and was used on almost all the MTT G-14/ASs simply because it was available) (..).

That was one of the things "discovered" in the past years, when it was found that, apart from a small circular hatch on the starboard side of the cowl being in a lower rather than upper position, most of the G-14/AS produced (at least all of those producec by MTT, apparently) had a look that was almost identical to that of a "classic" G-10, or at least how it had been represented in the past twenty years.

It's a part of the same process which identified the existence of the Erla G-10s and whose published sources are roughly the same evidenced earlier. Even here, though, most of the process of research and study has been made and perfected on the web, rather than on printed paper, the reasons for that have been already dealt with...

Sorry man, it is a fruit of the same tree...

P.S. I am also adding a quote of one posts of mine on the same subject (literally) of three years ago...

Originally Posted by veltro

(...) the round hatch of the cold weather starting device in the lower position (on the G-10 it was at the same level of the starting crank hole) and the six-lines stencil (faint but clearly visible on the lower side of the upper cowl) which BTW it is present also on the Croat G-14/AS "black 4" defectioned to Italy...

http://win.150gct.it/public/veltro/Croat109G14AS.jpg

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Now that's history, Ferdinando!

Thanks for this mind boggling acquisition process... would love to do it nowadays;-))

Marc

[Charles Bavarois]

Gentleman,

may I add my two cents?

The aircraft certainly is no Erla G-10 as it has the curved engine-fairings on both sides of the fuselage. Erla G-10 had a different solution for the left side.

As far as the original german camo is discernable, it looks pretty much like standard late war MTT-Regensburg. I presume it being a G-14 AS.

Werknummer 152.104 can be ruled out, as Werknummernblock 152.xxx belongs to Erla G-10/R6s and AFAIK there were no Werknummern allocated for 152.1xx anyway. Rasmussen may be able to confirm this.

The same is true for Werknummer 782.104. The 782.1xx block from MTT-Regensburg started only at 782.129 running to 782.275. This aircraft were all Bf 109 G-6s (!) with only two G-14s interspred.

Regards

Carl

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by Charles Bavarois

Werknummer 152.104 can be ruled out, as Werknummernblock 152.xxx belongs to Erla G-10/R6s and AFAIK there were no Werknummern allocated for 152.1xx anyway. Rasmussen may be able to confirm this.

Correct, there wasn't any Erla G-10 in a 152.1xxx batch ...

Regards
Rasmussen

[Matti Salonen]

Charles, is this Werk.-Nr. a typo (it is in the NVM)?
1945-02-08, 5./Erg.JG 1, Bf 109G-6, 782105, 8 weiße, Raum Küstrin, Unbekannt um 10.30 uhr. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Gefr Toifl, Karl, vermißt

Matti