Losses 28 June 1944

[dahiot daniel]

Hello,
I look for two other losses, no doubt, no injuries, no fatalities other than the three other known losses.
On 28 June 1944 JG 11 and JG 1. Combat around 20:30. Donfront/Mayenne.

Ofhr Kaatz Aloysius (KIA)
Uffz Jäger Hans (KIA)
Ofw Jochim Berthold (WND)

[Laurent Rizzotti]

According to the Luftwaffe losses summary database of Mr Brekkens, JG 1 and JG 11 lost four aircraft destroyed/missing and one damage on 28 June 1944.

II./J.G.1 1 aircraft missing due to enemy action
I./J.G.11 1 aircraft missing due to enemy action, 1 aircraft damaged by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, not observed by enemy
II./J.G.11 1 aircraft destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy
III./J.G.11 1 aircraft destroyed on the ground by enemy gunfire from ground forces

According to the book "La luftwaffe face au débarquement allié", II./JG 11 fought P-38s in the morning near the French-Belgian border.

And III./JG 11 was on the Eastern Front.

So that leaves only two aircraft lost and one damaged, flown by the pilots you listed. I understand you have all details on these, but please ask if they are needed.

Best regards

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Hello Daniel,

I can't reply to your private message. Either you block them, or your PM box is full.

Bonne journée

[dahiot daniel]

Merci, j'ai fait le vide dans ma boite.

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by dahiot daniel

Merci, j'ai fait le vide dans ma boite.

English only, please, unless you are quoting an original document.

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Originally Posted by dahiot daniel

Merci, j'ai fait le vide dans ma boite.

It is still not working, I got the following message:
"dahiot daniel has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her."

So here is my reply:

As I wrote before, the only known battle for II./JG 11 was near the Belgian border, away from your area. All known losses and claims for II./JG 11 during the area were in northern France, not in western France where JG 1 and I./JG 11 were active. And II./JG 11 was flying Bf 109, while British pilots in the evening of 28 June reported meeting Fw 190s.

The most probable explanation of the "missing Fw 190 losses" is an overclaim of the British pilots. 4 claims against two real losses and one damaged is not so bad. Probably several British pilots attacked the same German fighter.

Best regards

[Stig Jarlevik]

Laurent

I would say the British claims were excellent.

If we compare the claims in 1944 with the often very wild and inaccurate ones back in 1941-42 it was a great transformance.

I would say it speaks millions with regard to the decision the British took to learn their pilots to shoot which was in 1943 if I remember correctly. It turned the bad ones into acceptable ones and the acceptables into good ones.
One of the best decisions taken in my mind by the British.

Cheers
Stig

[Nick Beale]

Two things which might help (or perhaps not):

[Archéavion]

Hello,
Luftwaffe against the allied landing p 183-184
JÄGER Hans Uffz. Driver 1./JG 11 I./JG 11.
On June 28, 1944, around 9:40 p.m., he was shot down in aerial combat between Ferns and Domfront with Spitfire and crashes to the return of the fight with his Fw 190A-8 '11 + yellow "WNr. 340026 Vilaines to the Juhel.

JOCHIM Berthold OFW. Driver 1./JG I./JG 11 of 11.
June 28, he shot at 20:40 to a Spitfire (BT - CT) Domfront-Mayenne but his Fw 190A-8 WNr. 680 578 is touched in turn and slightly wounded he managed to reach the base. He was repatriated to Germany for some time.

KAATZ Aloysius OFHR. Driver 5./JG 1 of 1 II./JG "Oesau"
On 28 June, he was shot down in aerial combat against Spitfires southwest of Flers around 21:30 and worn disappeared with his Fw 190A-8 "black 7" WNr. 680,523.

Good luck in your research.