Photos Luftwaffe Trainers

[musec04]

Hello,

Currently on ebay are a series of photos of Luftwaffe training aircraft. Given that the items are on the .it version of ebay I hope that some of these may be new to board users and that they are original as claimed.If not, apologies and stop looking Also moderator, feel free to delete the thread.The seller also has a series of photos of frontline aircraft which I've not listed here.The photos are :

North American NA.57 JG 53

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...kAAOSwLyBgBwye

Arado Ar 66 DA+TX

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-AR-66-F...YAAOSwzp5gCwCI

Bücker Bü-131

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...8AAOSweDpf-wCP

Focke Wulf Fw 44 DA+ CJ

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FW-44-S...8AAOSwH9VgBk1A

Focke Wulf Fw 44 RG+AF

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FW-44-F...YAAOSw8SFgBKPt

Focke Wulf Fw 56

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FW-56-S...EAAOSw4Q1gBzga

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FW-56-S...oAAOSw0XpgDdfS

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FW-56-S...UAAOSwpUBgC4So

Focke Wulf Fw 58

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FW-58-F...8AAOSw1P9f-dF-

Gotha Go 145 NJ+GH

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-GOTHA-G...8AAOSwnidgCve0

Heinkel He 50 GM+NX

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-HE-50-F...QAAOSwKLpgCwQc

Caudron C.445 BC +QM II/ZG 1

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...UAAOSwFzpf-c3L

Potez 63.11 BR+IR

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...0AAOSwJ09gBwWS

Messerschmitt Bf 108 WL-IAJB

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...IAAOSwvclgDfyg

Messerschmitt Bf 108 SE+PD. Is this genuine?

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...MAAOSwXwhgCvMu

Siebel Fh 104 NC+NI

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...cAAOSw1VZgCfie

Savoia-Marchetti S.M.82

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...QAAOSwGcBgDMSv

Ok, the last is not a training aircraft.

Edit added

Heinkel He 111B (?)

https://www.ebay.de/itm/1-orginal-fl...oAAOSwIGhgEBbc

Regards,

Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay are photos of some further Luftwaffe trainers as follows:


Avia B.534 SE+CP & SE+CT


ttps://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEUG-BEUTE-AVIA-B-534-DOPPELDECKER-LUFTWAFFE-SE-CP-SE-CT/124551157775?hash=item1cffd3d80f:g:m7AAAOSwSURgFJd F


Breguet Bre.693 KD+ZF & KD+Z*


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...gAAOSwMmNgFIlv



Bücker Bü-131 TC+**


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...0AAOSw3GZgFLPG


Bücker Bü-133


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...MAAOSwgvdgE11Y



Focke Wulf Fw 44 CW+HW


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FW-44-F...8AAOSwhW5gFKHT


Focke Wulf Fw-44 *F+JZ


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...8AAOSwcL1gE17~



Messerschmitt Bf 108 WL-IXVS


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...gAAOSwcuBgE2A0



Messerschmitt Bf 110 A-0 ??


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FLUGZEU...sAAOSwuGJgFFdp



Potez 63.11 **+KY


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...AAAOSw0lxgFJ80


Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Some old, some new Clint

Never seen the Bre 693 before. Any truth in what the flip side says?
Feels unlikely to me.....but.....?

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hi Stig,

It mentions Fw 190/Bf 109 at the top. Is it they that should be employed on the eastern front. Stll makes no sense of course. Why even is anything about either fighter on the rear of a photo of Bre.693 aircraft.

I haven't seen anything about Bre.693 in German service outside a couple of training units and likewise two Luftdienstkommandos.

Regards,

Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Indeed Clint

I cannot see why Luftwaffe should utilize any captured aircraft in a front line capacity unless forced to do so by circumstances.

Somehow I get the feeling the flip side here belongs to a different photo....

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Stig,

As the saying has it, paper is patient.I'm just completing my usual late night trawl through the .com version of ebay before crashing out and have seen an item captioned a spanish royalists Dornier Do 217. Who knew....

Regards,

Clint

[Jim P.]

Clint,

You do realize that edwest2 and others have been posting e-bay pics with links here for a number of years, yes? Rather than being critical of others posting the same links as yours, maybe you should consider adding your findings to that ongoing thread?

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure most of us appreciate your work. I certainly do. But again there is a long-standing thread for same. And there are certainly missed items not in that thread, and your additions would very much welcomed there I'm sure.

I usually tend to look for e-Bay items on my own using https://picclick.de/ and a number of queries using that app that I've found pretty inclusive over the years. But there are always a few items that escape notice and generally show up here or elsewhere.

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=49508

[musec04]

Hello Jim

Thanks for your response.I respect your right to search where you will for your information.However, I believe the central point of my last post is elided, it requires merely common politeness to check whether other posters have already posted a link,let alone a series of links, indeed that it what teamwork looks like.You recommend that I post on an already existing thread. Again if you are happy to do so, then I accept that that is the right choice for you.However, my own view is that the standard of the posts in that thread falls below a level I find acceptable, therefore the duration of the existence of that thread is not a relevant criteria in deciding where I will post and I will not be posting on that thread.

Regards,

Clint

[GrafWolf]

Hello!
@Clint, ZS 2 is only one possibility for the Ar 96 **+YY. Also possible:
2./ ZG 101 Laupheim 20.03.44-01.06.44
III./ZG 101 Laupheim 01.06.44-26.07.44
JG 113 Laupheim 15.07.44-15.10.44
II./JG 106 Laupheim/Risstissen 15.10.44-22.04.45
Surely this list is incomplete! There will be many more! I found 8 entries to Ar 96 **+YY at www.stammkennzeichen.de.
The at Ebay shown picture was taken before 17.12.1944,because on that day the old city of Ulm was nearly complete destroyed by a bomb raid.

Herzliche Grüsse aus Oberschwaben,

Wolfgang

[musec04]

Hello,

Thanks Wolfgang. I only went with ZS.2 as the same seller had on offer at the same time some photos of Bf 110s (see above),at least one of which was a possible ZS.2 machine, but on reflection, no doubt you are correct and if I had more information they too can be shown to have flown with several possible units.

Meanwhile on 06.02.21 here are some more trainer photos from the same seller:

Praga E.241 NG+ZC

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-BEUTE-F...0AAOSwmLpgHuky

Focke Wulf Fw 44 BB+EJ

https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-FW-44-F...gAAOSwbjNgHuRI

Regards,

Clint