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MACR 16346
Hi All
Helping out a fellow member of Air Britain, can anyone identify this elusive B-17 and its serial number? MACR can be found here https://catalog.archives.gov/id/91174084 B Rgds Stig |
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Re: MACR 16346
I reckon you've found out that crew/passengers were mix of 394BS/5BG and 73 FS/18 FG.
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Re: MACR 16346
Yes we have Leendert
Cheers Stig |
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Re: MACR 16346
To make things a bit easier for those looking at the MACR, the link is for MACR's 16346-16348.
MACR 16346 are photos 37-20, it was scanned in reverse order. Photo 37 being the first page and Photo 20 being the last page. Last edited by Revi16; 27th January 2025 at 18:50. |
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Re: MACR 16346
Trying to tackle this from another angle, does anyone have any reports regarding the missing
crew? Some of you are very good at tracking personal details. The two pilots were Maj John McBeth O-147827 Capt John Ford O-584114 Since no B-17 seems to fit the bill, could it possibly have been another type? B Rgds Stig |
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Re: MACR 16346
Another odd thing about the MACR is the number in the 16XXX range for an aircraft that went missing in July 1942. Almost like it was an afterthought post war.
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Re: MACR 16346
The Patrol Wing 2 War Diary for July 1942 describes the a/c as a B-17D model. See https://catalog.archives.gov/id/1339...objectPage=107 and following page.
Given the fact that more B-17s were on their way, lost a/c part of a general "secret" ferry flight? Bios of other missing men provide no conclusive answers as to the ID of B-17. Leendert |
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Re: MACR 16346
Thanks Leendert
It narrows down the field of research and also confirms it was a B-17 B Rgds Stig |
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Re: MACR 16346
"B-17D" in that particular report indeed, but (e.g.) accident-report.com somehow says a "B-17F"....
MACR merely speaks of a B-17. Leendert |
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Re: MACR 16346
Gene Salecker's "Fortress against the Sun" lists all known B-17C/D/E/Fs in the Pacific and their fates; 3 B-17Ds are "unknown" but 2 can be accounted for (11th BG) as can the Fs. The 3rd, 40-3060 was at the Hawaiian Depot early 1942 but probably assigned to unit--Recon? The one in question may not have been, the reference to a photo mission to Wake quite plausable though I image the Navy considered that was their prerogative. There was a shortage of photographers ( especially in the SWPA) and Marines were sometimes called on.
If it was an un-painted B-17D it wouldn't carry a serial on the tail so maybe that's why the mystery. They were being camouflaged with what paints were available in the Philippines and Java earlier in 1942 but only when time permitted. Nick |
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