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Old 2nd March 2026, 08:37
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Question help request about Heinz Bär

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Source:ACES vol.1 page36 (Mathews/Foreman)

16/05/42=LaGG-3 10.35 (85.)
16/05/42=LaGG-3 10.40 (86.)
17/05/42=unknown 13.05 (87.)
17/05/42=I-16 13.35 (88.)
17/05/42=I-15 13.40 (92.)???
18/05/42=LaGG-3 12.10 (93.)
etc.etc

(89.)(90.)(91.)??? there is clearly a problem?....and so!

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Old 2nd March 2026, 11:00
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Re: help request about Heinz Bär

Hello michel,

in Jagdfliegerverbände Vol. 9/I and 9/III the following claims of Hptm Heinz Bär are listed:

06/12/41 – 30/04/42 Staffelkapitän 12./JG 51:
22/02/42 = I-61 10 km south of Mologino (91.)

11/05/42 Gruppenkommandeur Stab I./JG 77:
16/05/42 = LaGG-3 10.35 (92.)
16/05/42 = LaGG-3 10.40 (93.)
17/05/42 = I-16 13.35 (94.)
17/05/42 = I-15 13.38 (95.)
17/05/42 = I-15 13.40 (96.)
18/05/42 = LaGG-3 12.30 (97.)
18/05/42 = LaGG-3 16.05 (98.)
etc.

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Old 6th March 2026, 06:05
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Re: help request about Heinz Bär

Hi Michel

Sorry my mistake, there are no missing confirmed claims, just a miss numbering so 17th May 1942 1340 hrs is Nr.89. Also found another unconfirmed for 30th October 1942. Bär is rather like Rudorffer he has a lot of unconfirmed, drop me your email address if you want their updated biographies. It is a myth that Rudorffer flew a thousand missions, it's more like half of that, I did find all of his jet claims and that of his wingman Kurt Tangermann.

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Old 6th March 2026, 08:36
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Re: help request about Heinz Bär

Hi Johannes

Well,if I understand correctly,starting from;
18/05/42(12h10)=90.
18/05/42(16h05)=91.

etc.etc...so 14/06/42(19h00)=100. not 103.

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