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Old 10th April 2007, 09:46
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"Göring a biography" by David Irving

The books speaks of documented organized suicide attacks by german pilots against ground and air targets

I always thought that the Suicide/Rammjager story was a myth. That the idea was abandoned and only individual pilots rammed their fighters into targets.

So what´s the deal with this book. Is it any good??

http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/Goering/Werwolf.html

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Old 10th April 2007, 15:33
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Re: "Göring a biography" by David Irving

Wasn't Irvin convicted fairly recently somewhere in Europe for - here it is - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../wirving21.xml

Jailed for 3 years in Austria for his writing dening the Holocaust.

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Old 10th April 2007, 15:42
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Re: "Göring a biography" by David Irving

The two issues don't necessarily have a connection...
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Old 10th April 2007, 17:43
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Re: "Göring a biography" by David Irving

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The two issues don't necessarily have a connection...
Well, they do sorta. If you have read any of his books, he's always a little short of acceptable documentation and often makes great leaps of faith conclusions based on hearsay or flimsy sources. His earlier works were better, but his later ones are way out in left field.

As for his conviction, I think he was convicted but deported back to Britain w/o actually servicing all the sentence. I think he is severely restricted in his travels.
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Old 10th April 2007, 21:19
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Wasn't Irvin convicted fairly recently somewhere in Europe for - here it is - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../wirving21.xml

Jailed for 3 years in Austria for 3 years for his writing dening the Holocaust.

Really??? I was not aware, in that case disregard this post. The book has lost all of my interest. Don´t want to have anything to do with those sort of people.
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Old 11th April 2007, 21:44
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Re: "Göring a biography" by David Irving

There is still a place for David Irving, although some of his ideas and actions call for some caution. Arguably there is a lot of poiltical correctness behind the motiations to convict, of course the laws in some lands are more strict (B&W) on this subject than others.

Reading his biography on Goering won't taint you, nor would his work on Milch and a number of other subjects. His work varies in quality, but I am not an expert on the subject.

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Old 12th April 2007, 01:25
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Re: "Göring a biography" by David Irving

I am not Irving's admirer, being serious critic of his Mare's Nest, which is not politically related book. That said, most of his attackers are similarly biased people, but with politically correct bias. Irving still is a historian and often able to provide interesting insight and documents, and certainly his books are worth of critical reading, especially as they are free on his website.
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Old 12th April 2007, 11:30
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Re: "Göring a biography" by David Irving

Dick Evans highly respected by whom? B'nai B'rith?
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Old 12th April 2007, 12:34
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Re: "Göring a biography" by David Irving

People like Irving think it makes a difference for the reputation of a political system whether it emprisoned and slaughtered 6 million or merely six people for their origins and beliefs. In fact, even one would be evidence enough for absolutely intolerable barbarism. There is NO denying the fact that many jews, people regarded as racially or mentally inferior fell victim to Nazi terror. That's one side of the coin.

The other is that Irving's Goering biography displays many sources only he had access to (e. g. his close friendship to Erhard Milch). That makes it worthwile reading for unbiased historians. As of now, I could not find a serious mistake or misinterpretation in that book. In other words: the book cannot be blamed for the insanity of its author.
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Old 12th April 2007, 13:25
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Re: "Göring a biography" by David Irving

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Jukka,

Are you kidding? He is a Professor of History at Cambridge, and has written more than 20 books on many aspects of German history. Many of these books are used by universities for their European and German history courses.

Did you actually read the article referred to in my post? Evans has carefully analysed the works of Irving, and came to what seem, to me at least, to be very reasonable conclusions.

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