Dornier 17-Z, Goodwin Sands, 26 August 1940

[Andy Saunders]

Might I simply draw attention to the initial report in The Times which stated, inter-alia, that items including the weaponry had been removed by unauthorised divers. That statement, presumably originating with the RAF Museum, was evidently a statement of fact. It also pre-dated any discussion here or anywhere else about these items or where they went to.

I have no animosity (although Mr Brocklehurst seems to think it is "well known") towards the Kent Battle of Britain Museum and aside from wishing to make that point clear I have no interest or intentions of being "baited" or drawn into discussion on the question of the items reported as "plundered" by The Times either here or by PM.


Peter Evans - I would suggest, with respect, that your desire to "hear both sides of the argument" are unlikely to materialise!

[Flying_pencil]

That is an incredible find!

If so many are known to be in area, why not collect more to gather enough good pieces?

Originally Posted by Chris Goss

Yes it is said to be 5K+AR and if it is, two crew were POW, 2 killed, buried in Holland and Cannock Chase. I have been involved in this since Nov last year so expect an article in 'Flypast' shortly, including photos of a 5K+AR and 5K+GR, both of which were lost this day

Looks like you need to write a new book!

I am ready to help you and Mark Postlethwaite again.

[Andy Saunders]

If so many are known to be in area, why not collect more to gather enough good pieces?

Good point, Flying Pencil! However, I suppose the question is; does anybody know where all the others are?

From what we are being told, however, then somebody knows where at least another one is, evidently quite intact and somewhere pretty close. Allegedly.

[Ruy Horta]

Thank you Andy for keeping the discussion civil, as always I might add.

Dave there was little or nothing to start an argument, so please keep this feud limited to where it is actually fought out.

TOCH! is not a place to settle personal arguments.

If you can't surpress the urge there is PM, and even that is not a blanc cheque.

The detail on that scan is amazing.

Do 17 on its back, wheel wells and bomb by visible etc

Thanks for sharing.

[Tony Jones]

Hi

The Goodwin sands are off Deal in Kent and are always shifting, the Do 17 rose to the top 2 years ago. Early this year a submarine appeared after a storm but after a few day it had sunk out of sight again. Back in the 1930's a DLH a/c out of Croydon forced landed on the sands but this has never reappeared. It appears that over 1,000 ships floundered on the sands and several are visible for a time now and then. With the Do 17 they would be well advised to act very quickly otherwise it will sink out of sight again. Any other WWII a/c in the sands could appear at any time.

When I was a young lad we used to have holidays at Deal and there were boat trips to look at wrecks. Although wrecks appear quite often there are sadly no longer any boat trips

Tony

[Andy Saunders]

Tony

I am interested to know from where you discovered that this aircraft "rose to the top of the sands" two years ago? Is it in the RAFM news release, or is it from the Wessex Archaeology site?

Andy

[Tony Jones]

Andy

Do a Google for Goodwin Sands, then click on "News for Goodwin Sands" It then appears as Kent News Online, it then states that the wreck appeared 2 years ago

Regards

Tony

[Andy Saunders]

Thank you Tony!

[Flying_pencil]

Originally Posted by Tony Jones

Andy

Do a Google for Goodwin Sands, then click on "News for Goodwin Sands" It then appears as Kent News Online, it then states that the wreck appeared 2 years ago

Regards

Tony

I did a search, everything is now the recent find.


BTW, is the Pilot Feldwebel Willi Effmert still alive?

[Andy Saunders]

Some brief detail here on what might be the Dornier, although the link to any detail seems disabled. Here:

http://www.seadive.co.uk/projects/projects_index.htm

I should add, perhaps, that my rationale for believing that this is the Dornier in question is that the diver Bob Peacock (to whom this link relates) was interviewed on last night's BBC regional news discussing the Dornier that the RAFM plan to raise.