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Old 7th December 2011, 00:05
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Luftwaffe captured Lancasters

I'm trying to understand and perhaps start a discussion on the Luftwaffe captured Lancasters/ What was their fates? I know that no photographs have yet emerged in the 30 years or so since Herr Lerche's book.
This is what I know

(1) Lancaster I , 49 Sq, W 4107,November 22/23-1942, landed wheels down in Sark (Channel Islands) in an incredible night landing. Somewhere in my notes, I have a photo-copy of a page from book about the Channel Islands, a diary kept by a resident and she expressed amazement a the large size of the bomber standing seemingly unharmed in a field. The cause was flak damage over Stuttgart.
I'm guessing the airframe was sent to Adlershof for examination but I've never seen anything of its fate.

(2) Lancaster I, 12 Sq, ND 325, January 1/2,1944, landed wheels down but incurred damage. This would seem to be the airplane flown by H.W Lerche . Lerche mentions in his book:
"This Avro Lancaster had fallen into our hands in slightly damaged conditions a few weeks previously and was then repaired in the Lufthansa workshops at Travemundene near the Baltic Sea...I was very impressed by this big aircraft...before I could study it more closely I received the message that this very morning was the Invasion of France,June 6,1944."

Also , no captured HP Haifaxes have ever been reported. I guess the Luftwaffe never felt it necessary to rebuild an example given the supply of airframes in German territory.
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Old 7th December 2011, 05:04
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Re: Luftwaffe captured Lancasters

Hi
There was possibly at least one halifax
quote from .....

http://www.network54.com/Forum/26166...ptured+Halifax-

message below is a quote from the above link.......


"As posted on Luftwaffe Experten Message Board

"I remember one morning a British Halifax coming back from Italy landed by mistake on our airfiled [Théville, Normandy, France]. The crew was surprised when seeing german soldiers and more when looking at victory bars on Schnell's plane rudder. These airmen (...) belong to N°35Sq who made an important attack on Torino. (...). F/O Williams lands his machine (...) in ennemy territory. So JG 2 is able to capture seven airmen and to give a Halifax in perfect state to Rechlin test center. Three Wellingtons are lost this 10 to 11 September [1941] night and the famous Halifax TL-R intact is the only 4-engines plane not to go back in England"

E. MOMBEECK ; J.L. ROBA : "Histoire de la JG 2 Richthofen" Vol.2 p.171 (La Porte d'Hove, 2008)

I find that the only missing aircraft was L9566, described as crashlanded in France, navigational error. Given all that has been published on the Rechlin trials of Allied aircraft, I find the suggestion that there was a Halifax there as well somewhat surprising. "




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Halifax L9566 Squadron 35 TL-R OperationTurin. Airborne 2235 10Sep41 from Stradishall. Last heard on W/T at 0615 and was plotted N of le Havre. It is probable that the crew mistook the Cherbourg Peninsula for the English coast and turned towards France, instead of maintaining a northerly track. F/O G.S.Williams PoW Sgt A.Osborne PoW Sgt J.E.Murrell PoW Sgt Hedley Inj Sgt C.S.F.Ryder PoW Sgt E.H.Jackson PoW Sgt A.Urquhart PoW Sgt Hedley and Sgt C.S.F.Ryder wer confined in Hospital due injuries. Repatriated 2Feb45. No PoW Nos. Sgt E.H.Jackson was interned in Camps 8B/L6/357, PoW No.9594. Sgt J.E.Murrell in Camps 8B/357, PoW No.9595 with Sgt A.Osborne, PoW No.9593. Sgt A.Urquhart in Camp 8B, PoW No.9596. F/O G.S.Williams in Camps 10C/6B/L3, PoW No.3787. Escaped from 6B 27Apr42 but recaptured. "
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Old 9th December 2011, 05:20
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Re: Luftwaffe captured Lancasters

Hi
Just been browsing my backup drive,
Beuteauswertung Nr22, has a couple of pages on halifaxes, one page has three photos of a bellylanded Halifax V, they only show nose, tail and mid upper ( which might show some damage), from this I think it is apparent it would need repairs for it to fly.
The date of the report is 1 sep 43, previous issue 5 aug 43, so presumably a/c crashed in between these dates.
I can't see anything on lancasters in the index to other issues.
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