Koldunov victory list

[keith A]

A Russian source gives him 43+1 Victories rather than the 46+1 usually listed. Is the difference the 3 P-38 claims made for him on 7/11/44?

regards

Keith

[GMichalski]

hi,
i think these 43+1 are the claims known:

http://airaces.narod.ru/all1/koldunov.htm

I hope someone helps you more...
regards

[keith A]

Thanks chum,

Actually that's where I got my list from. I am guessing the P-38 victories are an unofficial add-on by a later historian. Perhaps during the cold war period.

regards

Keith

[John Beaman]

OK, I'm going to ask a stupid question: how could he claim 3 x P-38s in WWII, or in the Cold War period since, I think, the VVS never met P-38s in a combat situation?

[HGabor]

Never met???? Most famous friendly fire between VVS and P-38s is November 7, 1944 over Yugoslavia with several casualties... A well known story....

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...hlight=2715396

[Nokose]

Mikhail Bykov's book on Soviet aces has 46 + 1 with beside it [43 + 1] so I guess one might have been accepted in the "cold war" period and one during the actual war. It has 412 combat sorties and 96 air battles if you need that.

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by HGabor

Never met???? Most famous friendly fire between VVS and P-38s is November 7, 1944 over Yugoslavia with several casualties... A well known story....

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...hlight=2715396

OK, Gabor, mea culpa ! I wonder if the VVS attack was a revenge attack?

[HGabor]

No! It was defense action as (#^%$&@!^%#*(&) Americans attacked soviet convoy killing a Russian General, etc., ignoring all warning signs... They had no other choice to stop their friendly fire.

[keith A]

Thanks chaps,

I looked at the Bykov book this morning at the National Library and while it's a great step forward it seems to have quite a lot of facts that are contradicted by other sources. I am still going to get myself a copy however ;-)

I couldn't see any obvious candidates for the missing 3 kills so until they turn up I am going to assume 43+1. What I would say is that some sources have him on 20-22 victories when he has just 19+1 so it could just be adding a total to another incorrect total?

regards

Keith

[Nokose]

Keith, I don't know which copy they had at the National Library but don't get the 2007 copy. The updated one for 2008 has the Soviet aces with five victories and more. Also a list of aces that made that status with shared victories listed in the back.