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Old 29th May 2015, 15:24
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IL-2's and SU-2 over Hungaria Sept '41

I bought some exclusive shots showing
captured IL-2's and a SU-2 by the Hungarians
exhibited somewhere in Hungaria on Sept 1941 .

Additional I-15's I-16's and 153 Bis's were captured
too and exibited somewhere in Budapest some seen on
Denes/Karlenko's work from Barbarossa to Odessa.

Question
: which Soviet IAP's operated and where the IL-2's
the SU-2's ,I-15's 16's 152 and 153 over Ukraine, Bucovina
Hungaria or elsewhere over Hungarian troops
and were their targets overthere ? Where there any
Soviet pilots in Hungarian captivity or sent to Dulags's
throughout the Reich ?
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Old 29th May 2015, 16:54
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Re: IL-2's and SU-2 over Hungaria Sept '41

This is I suppose well know set of photos, which are in Laszlo Lavor collection or other people from Hungary. I suppse I have them too in my collection a I-15bis, and Ił-2. There was also T-28 on this exhibition too.

Some planes like I-15bis were captured on Stanisłwów airfield
see parts of my book where is one photo exacty of I-15bis plus PWS-26 inside inspected by Hungarian troops.

http://www.bellona.pl/files/85886_powietrzne.pdf

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Old 29th May 2015, 19:33
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Re: IL-2's and SU-2 over Hungaria Sept '41

I did see your brochure before and actually I didn't buy
them the person or the collection u've mentioned. Interesting
on your book is the R-10, they moved the Polka all the way from
Minsk to Odessa which later one started to reequip with IL-2's
and flew missions on Southern Ukraine .
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Old 30th May 2015, 16:47
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Re: IL-2's and SU-2 over Hungaria Sept '41

This is not any brochure (about +/- 10-50 pages). This is normal book about 340 pages. It makes a difference!


Books is 100 % Polish, it is total useless for you if you do not read Polish.


You are mixing some words, I do not know, what is Polka (a regiment)?
Polka is it music, like Viena Polka.

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Old 30th May 2015, 17:01
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Re: IL-2's and SU-2 over Hungaria Sept '41

You are right I don't understand Polish ,neither you Russian.
So lets leave it here. Thanks anyways

PS : Avia Polka in Russian stands for Aviation Reg in the Western termin.
a Fighter or a Bomber Group
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Re: IL-2's and SU-2 over Hungaria Sept '41

NO any polka, it is wrong!

BTW, I speak and read Russin, If you are interesed in Russian aviation and you do not know Russian language it is pointless to study this subject. You have to use very second hand sources.

mw

IAP means: istriebitielny avaitsjonnyj polk

Polk is a polk it is not any polka!

In Polish you have "pułk"
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good luck and be well !

PS : I speak and read fluent Russian
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Re: IL-2's and SU-2 over Hungaria Sept '41

Hello Mirek and everybody,

I would like to continue the toch
I opened internet page: http://www.bellona.pl/files/85886_powietrzne.pdf

On the last page – 55page – I found one familiar I-15 photo. I have been seen allready in one old Hungarian magazin (Magyar Szárnyak 1941 fall).
In the magazin did not write where was the photo taken. But Mirek’s picture answered it. This is Stanisłwów airfield in the hangar.

One of my attached picture everyone could see the I-15 Serial Number – 4413 – painted under the lower wing. (I-15 waiting for a repairing)

My questions:
I15 belonged for the 12th IAP?
Could somebody know when was I-15 manufactured, and which factory was made it?

In my opinion I-15 after the capturing by Hungarian army was demolished.


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