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Old 17th March 2024, 09:54
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Re: The Rise and Fall of the German Air Force (Air Ministry Pamphlet)

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In some ways it still is but I wouldn't be surprised if compiling this document was just a job handed to some RAF desk people or civil servants and nobody thought the authors need be credited. It would quite possibly be seen as the work of a department rather than individuals.
What's REALLY interesting about The Rise and Fall of the German Air Force as a 1948 publication, is that it directly quotes (without quotation marks) paraphrased ULTRA intelligence, as now found in the DEFE 3 series at The National Archives.

British Air Ministry Phamphets never attributed authorship, other than sometimes the originating agency.
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Old 17th March 2024, 10:51
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Re: The Rise and Fall of the German Air Force (Air Ministry Pamphlet)

Hi Leon,

thank you! Nice info.
I also have two editions of this book - 2001 and (in Russian) 2006.

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Old 17th March 2024, 10:58
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Re: The Rise and Fall of the German Air Force (Air Ministry Pamphlet)

Hello Rod,

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What's REALLY interesting about The Rise and Fall of the German Air Force as a 1948 publication, is that it directly quotes (without quotation marks) paraphrased ULTRA intelligence.
While it is clear upon reading that Ultra was used, the presence of direct quotes is surprising.

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British Air Ministry Phamphets never attributed authorship, other than sometimes the originating agency
Who was the head of AHB in 1947-48?

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Old 17th March 2024, 11:24
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Re: The Rise and Fall of the German Air Force (Air Ministry Pamphlet)

Hi Andrey,

if you look at the cover of the original 1948 publication, it was issued by the Assistant Chief of Air Staff (Intelligence) of the Air Ministry.

The then ACAS(I) wrote the foreword to the book - Air Vice-Marshall Sir Thomas Elmhirst, KBE, CB, AFC.
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Old 17th March 2024, 12:30
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Thank you, Rod!
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