Loss of 2Lt. Alfred Q. CARROLL on July 25th, 1944 - 301. Sqd. 332. FG, 15. USAAF

[Kurtl12]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

can anyone provide further details on the loss of this Tuskegee Airman?
2Lt. Alfred Q. Carroll, O-814827 flew a P-51 Mustang with 301st Squadron, 332. Fighter Group, 15. USAAF when he was shot down over southern Germany or Austria on July 25th, 1944. Here are some more details of that story: https://cafriseabove.org/alfred-quaisse-carroll-jr/
I am looking for aircraft serial number and MACR. Any further details are highly appreciated. Many thanks in advance,
Regards, K.

[Rottler]

Hello Kurtl12,

MACR and P-51 serial are not known to me, but according to the German file Abschußnummer/casualty no. ME 1697 he was shot down on 25 July 1944 11.15 hrs 500 m south-west of Aue near Gloggnitz district Neunkirchen and taken prisoner between Gloggnitz and Schloss Wartenstein.

Regards
Leo

[Ted51abcdk]

Gentlemen:
There were two 332FG losses on 25 July 1944. They are both unidentified as to the Squadron. The first was a transfer from the 317th/325FG and was 42-106850. The second was 43-25102 and was with the 332FG for only 13 days. Sorry I can't be more specific but 332FG are scarce. Hope that this helps a little bit. Ted51

[Leendert]

ME-1697 here: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/143479572?objectPage=2 and following pages.

Carroll's MIA on 25 Jul 1944 was recorded in the Squadron's Morning Report of 27 July 1944: hard to read https://catalog.archives.gov/id/4813...objectPage=821

Leendert

[Kurtl12]

Gentlemen, that is some great work! Thank you very much for your help!
I was not aware that ME-Reports are available now.
ME 1697 - "ME" maybe for the german word "MEldung", is definitely linked to 2Lt. Alfred Q. CARROLL.
ME 1698 to his comrade 2Lt. Starling B. PENN, who also crashed in Austria and also survived as POW. I think we can put both pilots to the 301st Squadron (as seen on the morning report of July 27th, 1944.
I did not find any MACR for both pilots and I wonder why. Gentlemen, do you see any possibility to link the aircraft's serials to those pilots - and which one to whom? I am not 100% sure if 42-106850 - North American built P-51B-15-NA and according Joe Baugher's page linked to 354th FS, 355th FG could be connected to those cases.
43-25102 was a North American P-51C-10-NT built Mustang. I did not find it on Joe Baugher's page.
Regards, K.

[edwest2]

I want to mention that joebaugher.com is now corrupted. After his passing, the site was taken over by someone else.

[Buckeye30]

Interesting that the 460BG / 55BW on the 25th reported "seven red-tailed ME-210s in the target area" (Linz); sounds like 25BG. Mosquitos as often mistaken for 210s/410s but not possible in this case. Maybe Hungarian as they had red part on tails (?).
332FG left bombers over Ljublijana; 42-106850 was no.15 in 325FG. as Ted says, not with 355th. No MACR for either loss though.


Nick

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Originally Posted by edwest2

I want to mention that joebaugher.com is now corrupted. After his passing, the site was taken over by someone else.

The former serial lists by Mr Baugher are still available online here: https://www.crouze.com/baugher/navy_...vyserials.html (this is the Navy page but you can have access to the Army page with the button up).

Originally Posted by Kurtl12

ME 1697 - "ME" maybe for the german word "MEldung", is definitely linked to 2Lt. Alfred Q. CARROLL.

ME means Mediterranean, it is the list of Allied crash reports established by the Germans in MTO. From memory, there are other series for bombers in the West and Germany (KU), for fighters in the same area anf a fourth for crashes in the east. I don't remember the codes of the last two.

Another way to have access to these German reports is the US MACR. If a German crash reports cover the same loss than a MACR, it is usually included in it.

By the way the ME series include both American and RAF losses, but it seems to me that only the ones related to US losses are online.

[Rottler]

Hello Laurent,

the abbreviation ME covered losses of Allied aircraft operating from the Mediterranean theater of operations (12th and 15th Air Force). But I doubt that the English word Mediterranean was used for a German abbreviation by the Auswertestelle West which assigned the casualty numbers to the Allied losses.

Regards
Leo

[Leendert]

Isn't "ME" just "Meldung"? The Med in German is Mittelmeer after all. Like "KU" in many other reports: "Kampfflugzeug Unterlagen".
I gathered a "J"-report concerned a downed Allied fighter.

Leendert