Paderborn Airfields

[anderbe]

Taken from Google earth, and with the help of the book Fliegerhorste I have outlined the airfield.

Regards Anders

[andrek]

@Brian Bines

Yes, a came across the name Nordbochen. But there are two or three districts in Paderborn ending with a -borchen. They all have websites and only one mentions a airfield and that was not the website of Nordborchen.


@M sIMPSON

I am just collecting infos about Lent for a report and have simply no idea who Lent was. Before i write a single word i try to find some simple basics about Lent and his live. The most important two questions are: Was Lent he a nazi and was he - like Mölders - involved in war crimes. This is very important to know for the german public.

The Lent papers: Getting my hands on this book is a problem. Seems to be sold out. Me was told that this book was written by a non historian and it is more the kind of a typically american style book with lots of kc pics and - most important - details about the kills. Not very serious then. From a russian board i red that the kill list is wrong, but who can verify that? Could be possible that some of the kills are based on fake stories similar to the Hermann Göring shots.

@SES

Yes i red the wiki entry. BUT it is a wiki. Everybody can delete, write and again delete wiki entries. And as you can see, the info in your quote is incorrect. I have also red the german wiki about Lent which is not worth the reading. It is kiddy. If you can read german, try the talk page and you have fun. Both wikis allude Paderborn. But Paderborn is a large town and there have been two or three airfields and i must note that nobody of the professional (???) researcher tried to find the airfield were Lent crashes. They not even asked Mr. Jabs.

The most idiotic thing to me is that my grandpa was a member of the NJG 3 and he met Lent a few times. But i never asked him about Lent. Now he is dead. Nice mess!

[andrek]

Thanks @anderbe for taking the trouble, just saw you post. Next time use white color. Black is difficult to read.

[SES]

Originally Posted by andrek

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@SES
But Paderborn is a large town and there have been two or three airfields and i must note that nobody of the professional (???) researcher tried to find the airfield were Lent crashed

Thank you for the compliment.
bregds
SES
www.gyges.dk

[Brian Bines]

In the 1960's I flew a few times with the Gliding Club at Paderborn from the airfield to the east of the Cement Works and was told that was the airfield where Lent crashed . In the book ''The Lent Papers'' a witness to the crash stated ''I was at the anti-aircraft gun site at the IIse works on the west of the airfield ''. Does the name of this works identify the airfield, as far as I can remember neither Bad Lippspringe or Paderborn Lippstadt had a ''works'' to the west. If the location of the IIse works in 1944 is found that should help comfirm the location.

[Franek Grabowski]

Originally Posted by andrek

@Brian Bines
I am just collecting infos about Lent for a report and have simply no idea who Lent was. Before i write a single word i try to find some simple basics about Lent and his live. The most important two questions are: Was Lent he a nazi and was he - like Mölders - involved in war crimes. This is very important to know for the german public.

Well, post war nobody was a nazi and never heard of any crimes.
Lent papers quote some of his letters and it seems he was at least under influence of German propaganda of the time. I cannot say if he took part in any straffings of civilian targets, I do not have any data allowing to identify ZG76 aircrew or Lent in particular.

[ju55dk]

[quote=andrek;62346The most important two questions are: Was Lent he a nazi and was he - like Mölders - involved in war crimes. This is very important to know for the german public.

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Wich warcrimes was Mölders involed in? His name was banned from Bundesluftwaffe on the grounds that he was in Legion Condor in Spain!!!

"The Lent papers: Getting my hands on this book is a problem. Seems to be sold out. Me was told that this book was written by a non historian and it is more the kind of a typically american style book with lots of kc pics and - most important - details about the kills. Not very serious then. From a russian board i red that the kill list is wrong, but who can verify that? Could be possible that some of the kills are based on fake stories similar to the Hermann Göring shots"

I think it would be a kind of insult to call Hincliffe's book amerikan style. He is british and was a member of RAF late in the war!! The Lent book is the best collected on him! You have to do a lot of basic research on such a matter. There is no easy way around this! To use the internet as a primary source is not a way to go!!!


Junker

[M sIMPSON]

Hi Andrek,
Reading the acknowledgements to Peter Hinchliffe's book,it is clear that he has consulted a wide range of experts on the Luftwaffe,some of whom post on this forum,and a number of former nightfighter pilots.Perhaps the most important person he thanks for her cooperation is Lent's eldest daughter.
As for his 'kill' list, it is better considered as a list of claims he made,not all of which were necessarily confirmed at the time.The state of surviving Luftwaffe sources,especially for the later period of the war, make it difficult to reconcile claims against losses,but it is possible to identify more than 50% of his victims with a degree of certainty.
Although I am not quite sure exactly what you mean by an 'amerikan' book,I would maintain that it a seriously researched book.In the end the only way to judge its value to your project is to read it for yourself.
Regards,Mark.

[andrek]

@SES

Ha? You asked Mr. Jabs?


@ju55dk

... think you red the MGFA report about Mölders from 2004 and also the expertise by the University of Kassel from 2005, so you know the facts.

... regarding Hincliffe, i wrote

(...) me was told (...)

@M sIMPSON

you wrote

it is clear that he has consulted a wide range of experts on the Luftwaffe

You mean he not even investigated on his own, he paid people to do the job? From my own research i know that he never was in Stade and tried the archives. That is basic work if you know what i mean.



You wrote:

As for his 'kill' list, it is better considered as a list of claims he made

That is a very realistic opinion. I never ever red something like that before. Not in any forums or books.


You wrote:

Although I am not quite sure exactly what you mean by an 'amerikan' book

Sorry, i mean american. A book written by a citizen of the United States and published on the U.S. market.

[M sIMPSON]

Hi Andrek,
Whether or not Peter Hinchliffe consulted archives at Stade or anywhere else for that matter I do not know-he doesn't say in his book.What he does say is that he had access to a number of collections of contemporary papers or copies thereof held by Jochen Jahrow,former adjutant to Gunther Radusch,Lent's successor as commander of NJG3, and a case of papers,including 4 volumes of his flying logbooks,in the possession of Lent's elder daughter.
With regard to Lent's 'kills' or 'claims' (whatever you choose to call them),he consulted with Emil Nonnenmacher,a former nightfighter pilot who had compiled a list of virtually all German nightfighter claims.
With regard to 'consulting' other experts in any field of research on any other subject,I would have to say that it is quite acceptable to do so provided that help is acknowledged.After all it is what everyone does on this forum and indeed what you are doing by asking questions here.It does not mean that you are not also doing your own research.No one individual can know everything and it is a credit to this forum and others like it that people find the time to help and inform those who are keen to learn.

Regards,Mark.