He 111 crash at Ham-Noyon Area, France

[robert]

Hi,

the second character could be "1".

Regards

Robert

[RudiS]

Yes, you could be right, Robert. That would mean that it would be a KG 53 (A1+E?) or a KG 55 (G1+E?) machine.

Regards,
Rudi.

[RudiS]

I have more information from somebody who lives in that area:

- The machine was shot down between the 11th and the 14th of May of 1940 and not in June as stated on one of the pictures. (Possibly the plane was still there in June when the Germans invaded the area, hence the confusion about the date).

- It crashlanded in the Ham - Eppeville area.

Does anybody have more info on reason of crash, unit and faith of crew,...???

Thanks in advance,
Rudi.

[Pieter H]

If it should have been between the 11th and 14th of May over Ham, it is very unlikely that it was either KG53 or KG55. Both operated much more to the east, although KG53 did attack targets over northern France on May 10. But until the 15th KG53, as far as I know, did not operate further west than Sedan. Only on May 18 I have a KG53 loss in the Amiens area. KG55 operated way East and over central France.

If the second character is indeed a 1 LG1 is more likely, since this unit operated much more over this sector of northern France and southern Belgium. Still, mostly over the Lille area, so not much certainty on that either.

The bomber unit - if it was a bomber! - most active over this area during these days was KG54, but then the unit code was B3. And there is no reconnaissance unit with its code ending on 1.

To be continued, Pieter

[RudiS]

Thanks for this info, Pieter.

I already checked the "Kampfgeschwader 54" book of Siegfried Radtke. No losses seems to match this one.

Unfortunately I don't have Perter Cornwell's new book "The Battle of France - Then and now ..." (yet), but if some mebers do, could you please check for this loss. It was between the 11th and the 14th of May of 1940 in the Eppeville - Ham area.

Thanks in advance,
Rudi.

[herve68000]

Hello
Sadden I use a translation software, I do not speak English!!!
I have just found your topic concerning the crash of HEY 111 during the day of June 15th, 1940! I make at present searches(researches) concerning one HEY 111 who(which) it is crashed in my region in Alsace, brings(shoots) down by the GC II / 5 by the following pilots(drivers) Svetlik Ladislav, Klan Jean, Monraisse Marie Hubert, Duda Joseph, Hebrard? Fat Georges which(who) piloted Curtiss H-75.
I know that this day of 15/06/40, 3 HEY 111 of 3. / KG53 at least one " mine ") or other were brought(shot) down, but I have no information concerning the registration of these devices! The crew(equipage) of this device (that of my region) is the crew(equipage) of the Hptm Schwarz Bernhard ...... Have you information??? Or better photos??
I thank you in advance for having taken time to read this A message soon

En français pour ceux qui n'ont pas compris mon message !!

Bonjour
Désole j'utilise un logiciel de traduction , je ne parle pas anglais !!!
Je viens de trouver votre topic concernant le crash de HE 111 dans la journée du 15 juin 1940 ! Je fais actuellement des recherches concernant un HE 111 qui c'est crashé dans ma région en Alsace , abattu par le GC II/5 par les pilotes suivants Svetlik Ladislav, Klan Jean, Monraisse Marie Hubert, Duda Joseph, Hebrard ? , Gras Georges qui pilotaient des Curtiss H-75. Je sais que ce jour du 15/06/40, 3 HE 111 du 3./KG53 au moins un « le mien » )
ou autres ont étés abattus , mais je n'ai aucuns renseignements concernant l'immatriculation de ces appareils ! L'équipage de cet appareil (celui de ma région) est l'équipage du Hptm Schwarz Bernhard......Avez vous des infos ??? Ou mieux des photos ??
Je vous remercie par avance d'avoir pris le temps de lire ce message
A bientôt

[herve68000]

Hello Sadden I use a translation software, I do not speak English!!!
I have just found your topic concerning the crash of HEY 111 during the day of June 15th, 1940! I make at present searches(researches) concerning one HEY 111 who(which) it is crashed in my region in Alsace, brings(shoots) down by the GC II / 5 by the following pilots(drivers) Svetlik Ladislav, Klan Jean, Monraisse Marie Hubert, Duda Joseph, Hebrard? Fat Georges which(who) piloted Curtiss H-75.
I know that this day of 15/06/40, 3 HEY 111 of 3. / KG53 at least one " mine ") or other were brought(shot) down, but I have no information concerning the registration of these devices! The crew(equipage) of this device (that of my region) is the crew(equipage) of the Hptm Schwarz Bernhard ......
Have you information??? Or better photos??
I thank you in advance for having taken time to read this A message soon

en français pour ceux a qui j'ai fait mal a la tête ......

Bonjour
Désole j'utilise un logiciel de traduction , je ne parle pas anglais !!!
Je viens de trouver votre topic concernant le crash de HE 111 dans la journée du 15 juin 1940 ! Je fais actuellement des recherches concernant un HE 111 qui c'est crashé dans ma région en Alsace , abattu par le GC II/5 par les pilotes suivants Svetlik Ladislav, Klan Jean, Monraisse Marie Hubert, Duda Joseph, Hebrard ? , Gras Georges qui pilotaient des Curtiss H-75. Je sais que ce jour du 15/06/40, 3 HE 111 du 3./KG53 au moins un « le mien » )
ou autres ont étés abattus , mais je n'ai aucuns renseignements concernant l'immatriculation de ces appareils ! L'équipage de cet appareil (celui de ma région) est l'équipage du Hptm Schwarz Bernhard......Avez vous des infos ??? Ou mieux des photos ??
Je vous remercie par avance d'avoir pris le temps de lire ce message
A bientôt

[Peter Cornwell]

3./KG53 Heinkel He111H. Reportedly shot down by fighters near Jussey. Oberlt H. Wegner, Fw F. Fern, Uffz J. Hertle, Uffz P. Kraft, and Gefr H. Thiele unhurt. Aircraft a write-off.

3./KG53 Heinkel He111H. Shot down by fighters near Jussey and possibly that attacked by Sgt Salès and Adj Dugoujon of GC II/5 between Langres and Vesoul. Hptmn B. Schwarz (Staffelkapitän), Lt Schoeppler, Oberfw F. Weidenhammer, Fw A. Burger, and Uffz K. Berninger killed. Aircraft a write-off.

3./KG53 Heinkel He111H. Shot down by Capt Monraisse, Capt Duda, S/Lt Klan, Lt Hebrard, Adj Gras, and Sgt Svetlik of GC II/5 and broke up over ‘Le Puiseau’ between Mornay and Champlitte, north-east of Dijon, 7.15 a.m. Uffz K. Berrang, Uffz O. Haas, and Uffz H. Deringer killed. Oberfw H. Röthemeier baled out wounded, and Fw H. Mayer baled out unhurt, both captured on landing near Fontaine-Française. Aircraft a write-off.


Source: The Battle of France Then & Now p476

[herve68000]

The HE111 which it is crushed in my sector is the one of the crew(equipage) of Hptmn B. Schwarz (Staffelkapitän), Lt Schoeppler, Oberfw F. Weidenhammer, Fw A. Burger, and Uffz K. Berninger and it is thus crushed near CHAMPLITE but indeed 100 km farther pres of the SWISS!! Have you accidentally the registration of this plane??

[Larry Hickey]

Hello,

I'm still trying to get the ID of this plane. Some new info is that it has the number "27", probably in yellow, painted on the extreme forward panel of the fuselage nose on both sides. Inside the wing panel, where the wing has been removed, appears to be the W.Nr. 3627, painted in black. My He111 book (Griehl) says that this would be an H-5 or H-6. Does anyone know if the manufacture date of this W.Nr is consistent with a crash during the French Campaign? One of my photos also says (handwritten in German) a reconnaissance aircraft photographed in the Ham area of France. Did we ever determine which "Ham" in France this is? Are Ham and Noyen close together?

Does anyone recognize the unit, perhaps, by the fact that the last two digits of the W.Nr. were painted of the forward nose panel? This is probably a unit system, and other a/c in the Staffel or Gruppe probably used the same pattern.

Still determined to solve the ID mystery of this well-photographed He111.

Regards.