Battles - 14.05.1940 (merged thread)

[arnaud]

For the 70th anniversary of the Battle of France and the 70th Anniversary of the Air Bombing on pontoon bridges on Sedan, a publication will be soon published. I am looking for information for some aircraft. I mean a photograph of the aircraft on the ground or of the crew, the aircraft code and any other precise information. Anyone who helps will be of course mentioned and thank.

Thank you very much. Those British airmen deserve few researches…

Arnaud Gillet

Battle L4950 : 12 Sqn 21.11.38 (PH-V); shot down Sedan 14.5.40; F/O Vaughan and Shelton-Jones + AC 1 Wright captured. = Read PH-C : Lieutenant E. R. D. Vaughan (+ Choloy), sergent C. Shelton-Jones (+ Choloy), aviateur (AC 1) J. D. Wright (P) : « Ordre de bombardement n° 3, 15.33 - … : F/O Vaughan de l’escadrille A n’est pas rentré » (Air 27/164).

[arnaud]

For the 70th anniversary of the Battle of France and the 70th Anniversary of the Air Bombing on pontoon bridges on Sedan, a publication will be soon published. I am looking for information for some aircraft. I mean a photograph of the aircraft on the ground or of the crew, the aircraft code and any other precise information. Anyone who helps will be of course mentioned and thank.

Thank you very much. Those British airmen deserve few researches…

Arnaud Gillet



L5188 : 88 Sqn 29.6.39; 12 Sqn 30.11.39 (PH-C); shot down attacking bridge Sedan 14.5.40; Sgt Wijnkler, Sgt Smalley, AC1 Clarke captured. = Sergent H. R. W. Winkler (P), sergent M. D. Smalley (P), aviateur (AC 1) L. R. Clarke (P) : « Ordre de mission de bombardement n° 3, 15.53 – néant : Le sergent Winkler de l’escadrille A n’est pas rentré » (Air 27/882).

[arnaud]

For the 70th anniversary of the Battle of France and the 70th Anniversary of the Air Bombing on pontoon bridges on Sedan, a publication will be soon published. I am looking for information for some aircraft. I mean a photograph of the aircraft on the ground or of the crew, the aircraft code and any other precise information. Anyone who helps will be of course mentioned and thank.

Thank you very much. Those British airmen deserve few researches…

Arnaud Gillet


L5422 : 6 MU 14.3.40; 88 Sqn 8.5.40; 218 Sqn date inconnue; shot down attacking bridge, Noyers-Pont-Maugis, 14.5.40 F/O Crane killed, AC Holloway captured = F/O Crane (+, Noyers-Pont-Maugis), AC Holloway (P).

[arnaud]

For the 70th anniversary of the Battle of France and the 70th Anniversary of the Air Bombing on pontoon bridges on Sedan, a publication will be soon published. I am looking for information for some aircraft. I mean a photograph of the aircraft on the ground or of the crew, the aircraft code and any other precise information. Anyone who helps will be of course mentioned and thank.

Thank you very much. Those British airmen deserve few researches…

Arnaud Gillet


L5581 : 6 MU 12.3.40; 88 Sqn 10.5.40; shot down attacking bridge Sedan St Menges, 14.5.40 Sgt Ross, Sgt Beames LAC Gegg + = Sergent W. G. Ross (+ Saint-Menges), sergent F. E. Beames (+ Saint-Menges) et caporal J. H. K. Gegg (+ Saint-Menges).

[arnaud]

For the 70th anniversary of the Battle of France and the 70th Anniversary of the Air Bombing on pontoon bridges on Sedan, a publication will be soon published. I am looking for information for some aircraft. I mean a photograph of the aircraft on the ground or of the crew, the aircraft code and any other precise information. Anyone who helps will be of course mentioned and thank.

Thank you very much. Those British airmen deserve few researches…

Arnaud Gillet

L5230 : 15 Sqn 14.7.39; GB 30.11.39; AASF 21.2.40; 105 Sqn date inconnue; missing from attack bridge Sedan 14.5.40. F/lt Sammels, Sgt Abbott, LAC missing =

Battle n° L5230 (15.45 – perdu de vue à 16.15) : sous-lieutenant H. E. White (+ Choloy), sergent G. A. Cartwright (+ Choloy), AC J. Potter (+ Choloy) : Les trois hommes sont enterrés dans une tombe collective. Certains localisent le point de chute à La Neuville-à-Maire, alors que la liste de 1941 indique que ce Battle tombé dans ce village portait le n° L5513 celui du capitaine Sammels dont les corps des trois hommes n’ont jamais été retrouvé. Si les corps enterrés dans la tombe collective de Choloy proviennent bien de La Neuville à Maire, alors il pourrait s’agir d’une erreur d’identification des corps. Ne connaissant pas les éléments d’identifications des corps, nous pensons qu’il s’agit non pas de l’équipage du sous-lieutenant White, mais du capitaine Sammels…


Problems :

I have a problem and hope you could help me.
1. Operation Record Book of 105 Squadron says : Aircraft L5523 : F/Lt Sammels, Sgt Abbot, LAC Hughes lost on May 14th
2. CWGC says F/Lt Sammels, Sgt Abbot, LAC Hughes : no grave.
3. Red Cross says : Aircraft L5523 crashed at La Neuville-à-Maire, three airmen burnt buried in the local cemetery.
4. Historians says, the three airmen killed at Le Neuville-à-Maire are P/O White, Sgt Cartwright, AC Potter.
5. CWGC says P/O White, Sgt Cartwright, AC Potter buried at Choloy.

Question 1 : Where did they find P/O White, Sgt Cartwright, AC Potter bodies?

Question 2 : If P/O White, Sgt Cartwright, AC Potter were found at La Neuville-à-Maire, how did the British manage to identify those three men as P/O White, Sgt Cartwright, AC Potter and NOT as F/Lt Sammels, Sgt Abbot, LAC Hughes?

[arnaud]

For the 70th anniversary of the Battle of France and the 70th Anniversary of the Air Bombing on pontoon bridges on Sedan, a publication will be soon published. I am looking for information for some aircraft. I mean a photograph of the aircraft on the ground or of the crew, the aircraft code and any other precise information. Anyone who helps will be of course mentioned and thank.

Thank you very much. Those British airmen deserve few researches…

Arnaud Gillet



L5523 : 6 MU 16.3.40; AASF 22.4.40; 105 Sqn 23.4.40; shot down attacking bridge Sedan 14.5.40; P/O White, Sgt Cartwright AC Potter + = Battle n° L5523 (15.40 – perdu de vue à 16.15) : capitaine H. C. Sammels (?), sergent F. B. Abbott (?), caporal R. D. Hughes (?) (voir Battle L5230) :
« La Neuville à Maire : trois corps carbonisés ont été retrouvés au auprès d’un avion, présumé anglais, portant sur le fuselage l’indication : L.5523/U.
Les trois aviateurs ont été inhumés au cimetière communal » (Rapport de 1941).

[arnaud]

For the 70th anniversary of the Battle of France and the 70th Anniversary of the Air Bombing on pontoon bridges on Sedan, a publication will be soon published. I am looking for information for some aircraft. I mean a photograph of the aircraft on the ground or of the crew, the aircraft code and any other precise information. Anyone who helps will be of course mentioned and thank.

Thank you very much. Those British airmen deserve few researches…

Arnaud Gillet


L5250 : 40 Sqn 27.7.39; GB 30.11.39; AASF 28.2.40; 105 Sqn date inconnue; Damaged in action Sedan forcelanded and abandoned at Suippes, 14.5.40. = Battle n° L5250 (15.40 – perdu de vue à 16.40) : lieutenant D. F. C. Murray, sergent Hemingway, aviateur (AC) Hill.

[arnaud]

For the 70th anniversary of the Battle of France and the 70th Anniversary of the Air Bombing on pontoon bridges on Sedan, a publication will be soon published. I am looking for information for some aircraft. I mean a photograph of the aircraft on the ground or of the crew, the aircraft code and any other precise information. Anyone who helps will be of course mentioned and thank.

Thank you very much. Those British airmen deserve few researches…

Arnaud Gillet


L5238 (Shot-down in Meuse at Donchery : Sous-lieutenant F. H. Ridley (+ Donchery), sergent G. Atkinson (+ Donchery), AC J. S. Thompson (+ Donchery) : 15 Sqn 24.7.39; GB 30.11.39; AASF 21.2.40; 105 Sqn date inconnue; Shot down attacking bridge Sedan 14.5.40; F/Lt Wall, Sgt Morgan LAC Hatton +.= Battle n° L5585 (15.45 – perdu de vue à 16.05) : lieutenant Wall (+), sergent Morgan (+), caporal Hatton (+) (Enterrés au cimetière de Noyers-Pont-Maugis).

[arnaud]

For the 70th anniversary of the Battle of France and the 70th Anniversary of the Air Bombing on pontoon bridges on Sedan, a publication will be soon published. I am looking for information for some aircraft. I mean a photograph of the aircraft on the ground or of the crew, the aircraft code and any other precise information. Anyone who helps will be of course mentioned and thank.

Thank you very much. Those British airmen deserve few researches…

Arnaud Gillet



L4946 : 150 Sqn 14.11.38; shot down attacking bridge near Donchery 14.5.40 F/O Ing, Sgt Turner AC Nolan + = Lieutenant J. Ing (+), sergent J. D. Turner (+), AC W. J. Nolan (+) : enterrrés au cimetière de Donchery :
« Donchery, avion anglais, « Les Chapelles » à un kilomètre au Sud de Donchery, à l’état de débris, bombardier n° 4946, il existe trois tombes d’aviateurs inconnues à côté des débris de l’avion.
Frénois, avion anglais, « Croix Piot » à deux kilomètres à l’Ouest de Frénois, en débris, n° L. 4946, trois tombes se trouvent à proximité de l’appareil sans indication d’identification » (Rapport de 1941).

[arnaud]

For the 70th anniversary of the Battle of France and the 70th Anniversary of the Air Bombing on pontoon bridges on Sedan, a publication will be soon published. I am looking for information for some aircraft. I mean a photograph of the aircraft on the ground or of the crew, the aircraft code and any other precise information. Anyone who helps will be of course mentioned and thank.

Thank you very much. Those British airmen deserve few researches…

Arnaud Gillet



P2182 : 12 Sqn 30.6.39; 150 Sqn 4.10.39; shot down during attack on bridge near Douzy 14.5.40; P/O Fortune, AC Martin + = Sous-lieutenant J. Boon (+), sergent T. Fortune (+), AC S. Martin (+) : enterrrés au cimetière de Douzy :