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Old 13th April 2010, 18:33
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58 Sqn Whitley

Hi guys, I'm currently researching an incident involving my Great-Uncle Leonard Adlam, which took place on 21st October 1940, when his Whitley of No. 58 Sqn crashed into the Yorkshire Moors after a mission across the Channel.

Some brief infomation can be seen here - http://www.yorkshire-aircraft.co.uk/.../40/t4171.html

I'm trying to put together an article regarding this incident for a future project I'm working on and so I'm looking for all the information I can get.

If anyone else has any further information or knows of any sources that might be able to help me with this then I'd really appreciate the help.

Any photos of a of 58 Sqn Whitley would be great too.

I'm also wondering how I would view 58 Sqn's ORB?

The exact reason the Whitley crashed is uncertain because the official card says "out of petrol" but most sources believe Hptm Karl Hulshoff of 3./NJG2 - Ju 88 C, shot it down on an intruder mission, but he claimed it as a "Hereford" which is odd.

Is there a way to find out the exact losses of bomber command that day to try and piece it all together?

Apologies for all the questions, I just thought to ask in case someone can help.

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Re: 58 Sqn Whitley

I presume you have Bomber Command Losses 1940 by WR Chorley? If not I can scan the page for you relating to the 20th/21st Oct 1940 when Whitley T4171 GE-O was lost?

And yes Bill Chorley does say the Whitley was shot down by Karl Hulshoff of I/NGJ2
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Re: 58 Sqn Whitley

I don't Larry, that would be great, thanks!
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Re: 58 Sqn Whitley

I sent a PM - as I am unable to upload ANY imagages on this Forum for some reason!

Mods - the size was below 195 KB foe a JPEG yet it would not work!
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The ORB is kept on microfilm (and in deep store original paper form) at the National Archives in west London, the file references are AIR 27/543 (for the ORB) and AIR 27/547 (Appendices to the ORB).
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Excellent, thank you Alan!
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I was at Kew on Thursday and copied all the entries from the ORB which mentioned Adlam. He wasn't with 58 Sqn long his posting in was recorded on the 9th September 1940. He only appears to have been on 5 operational flights (including the fatal one).
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Thanks Alan, I didn't know that. Is there any chance I can see the copies? I've sent you a PM.

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They are on their way.
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