Freiherr von Gravenreuth

[Dean M. Wick]

Good afternoon: Can anyone confirm whether or not Oblt. Freiherr von Gravenreuth, St/Kpt. of 15(Z)/LG1, KIA on 27.9.40, is the same individual who was with 3/KG30 as St/Kpt. on 17.6.40 when the Lancastria was bombed and sunk with heavy loss of life. I note that von Eimansberger's history on V(Z)/LG1 states that the von Gravenreuth with that unit arrived to command 15(Z)/LG1 from a zerstorer replacement training gruppe. Could this be the same individual, converting from bombers to bf110's? Regards. Dean.

[Doug Stankey]

These are definitely two different people!

GRAVENREUTH, Siegmund-Ulrich, Freiherr von.
(DOB: 21.10.09 in München).
1934 entered service with the Heer and trf to the Luftwaffe in 1936.
01.10.35 ordered to Fliegerschule Neuruppin for flight training (to 31.03.36).
01.04.36 promo to Lt.
01.04.36 trf to 3./KG 155.
01.04.36 trf to III./KG 355 (to 03.05.38).
1937-38 in Spain with the Legion Condor.
01.12.37 promo to Oblt.
04.05.38 trf to I./KG 255 (Landsburg) (to 14.01.39).
15.01.39 trf to LKS 4 (Fürstenfeldbruck).
10.11.39 Oblt., trf from LKS Fürstenfeldbruck to RLM (L.In.10).
16.04.40 trf to I./KG 30.
17.06.40 Oblt. and Staka 3./KG 30, claimed a hit on a 10,000 ton transport, possibly the Lancastria (which sank with a loss of over 4,000 lives).
24.11.40 Oblt. in 1./KG 30, awarded the Ritterkreuz in recognition for sinking 55,000 BRT of enemy shipping.
01.12.40 promo to Hptm.
26.07.41 trf to II./KG 30 (to 19.04.43).
c.26.07.41 Hptm., appt Kdr. II./KG 30 (to 11.04.42 WIA).
14.03.42 awarded the Ehrenpokal.
31.03.42 (or 11.04.42?) Hptm., awarded DKG, II./KG 30.
01.03.43 in Frontflieger-Sammelgruppe, promo to Maj.
02.03.43 awarded Ehrenpokal.
20.04.43 trf to Gen.d.Kampfflieger/RLM.
30.04.43 in IV./KG 30, trf to Arbeitstab Süd.
10.09.43 Maj., appt Kommodore KG 30 (to 16.10.44).
01.05.44 promo to Obstlt.
†16.10.44 in a fatal Bf 109 crash near Breslau during a practice flight.
09.01.45 Obstlt., posthumously awarded Eichenlaub, Kommodore. KG 30.

GRAVENREUTH, Ulrich, Freiherr von.
(DOB: 04.09.04).
03.11.39 in III./JG 51.
27.09.40 Oblt. in 15.(Z)/LG 1, KIA – in Bf 110D shot down by fighters near RAS Station Gatwick/38 km S of London.

There are no other Gravenreuth's that we have any record of.

HLdZ
DGS

[Spanferkel]

Doug is correct they are two different flyers.

I have the formers Wehrpas and a few others douments. The link to my site below shows "Sigmund-Ulrich, Freiherr von" units postings.

http://aufhimmelzuhause.com/id137.htm

Regards

Jeremy

[Dean M. Wick]

Doug and Jeremy: As always, thanks for quick reply. I wonder, given such an uncommon name, if these two were related in any way? Cheers Dean

[Scharnier]

Hello Dean,

yes, these two are brothers (No. 1 und 3).

http://www8.informatik.uni-erlangen..../INDEX=I319724


Best regards
Claudia

[thenelm]

Known losses for these guys:

Bf 110D-0, 3147, Gravenreuth, Oblt. Ulrich Fr. von, , 15.(Z), LG 1, gelbe L, L1+BL, , , 27-Sep-40, Stkp. Crew KIA due to Flak and enemy fighters., Dup. WNr. - appears multiple times later!!, Kanal, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #2)-Vol.3; Taghon, LG 1, I, p.430; Vasco/Cornwell, Zerstörer, p.234; Mason, p.418; BoB, T&N, p.664; Menke, SKZ list, , bei Fl.Pl. Gatwick, 100%, F, Bf Fw. Otto Reinhold, ,

Ju 88A, , GRAVENREUTH, Oblt. Siegmund-Ulrich Frhr. von, , 3., KG 30, , , , , 17-Jun-40, Stkp. Flak and Luftkampf with Hurricane from 1 Sq. (F/Sgt. Berry) and 1.AC 5 (PM Barbé) srmed recon and anti-shipping sortie off St. Nazaire. B KIA, Bm & Bf WIA., RK, EL. Krauss claimed a French fighter shot down., Lfl.2/Westfeldzug, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #1)-Vol.2; Cornwell, Battle of France, T&N, p.481; Gillet, Les Victoires de L'Aviation de Chasse Francaise III, p.91, , Loiremündung, b, F, B Ofw. Ludwig Edmüller, Bm Fw. Franz Erdel & Bf Ogefr. Herbert Krauss, 15.45,

Ju 88A-4, 140171, GRAVENREUTH, Hptm. Frhr. Sigmund-Ullrich von, , Stab II., KG 30, , 4D+?C, , , 11-Apr-42, Gr.Kdr. WIA due to Flak., EL. WNr. 0171 per loss., Lfl.5/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Valtonen, LW Pohjoinen Sivusta, p.366, , (PlQu. 62/37 Ost), 8%, F, , ,

[Dean M. Wick]

Gentlemen: Thank you for the additional information! Dean.