Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum

[taitbb]

Hi Klemchen, if you are referring to the picture I attached, yes it is an example of the belly hatch.

But on the picture on the airframw at Sola, we are looking from the rear forward. So the rectangular panel is on the left/port side....not starboard. So it is not the belly hatch.

Now, it isn't clear if it is removeable or solidly riveted in. Ernst...maybe you could comment?

[eknutson]

The square camera / repear patch are on the left side. The opening for the belly hatch is also visible to the right. The square patch are solid riveted to the skin. We have to drill it off to se if it is riveted in old screw holes or not. We wil also look closer for camera attacments in the erea.
So for the time we are looking for more info / pictures of the G2 / G1 airframes, the G1 JG2 in france is most interesting, as this will give a picture off what was needed for a rebuild to the G2 standard. We also hope to get information when it was tranfaird to JG5 in Norway may be trough Denmark.

[eknutson]

This picture is from Mombeeks Jg5 band 2 page 303. This can possibly be Bf109 G2 14055, unfortently it is not possible to read the WN.r on the tail. Erik has a higher resolution off the same, so by posting it here we hope others can have a different picture of it. The spesial here are the covling. It has the G1 cabincompressor inlet, an a fresh painted turbo inlet were the cowling itself seems to be modidied. A sirkular erea behind it. Seems also to be a F type. Can this be becahuse off the DB601E engine. The hood is also a standard G2 non pressurized item.

[eknutson]

Is it possible to tarce the number 28K on the main spar?
I have on loan a new book from Lynn Ritger, on page 102 ther are a foto taken on the WNF factory during production on F mod frames. It shows frames numberd with Exx and Fxx number on. Is it possible to sorce any foto with Kxx numbers? As this are more likely then K for Kjeller.
There was a better quality picture in Merrick`s camouflage and markings on p40, is shows even Hxx numbers so the possibilety are rising for K28 as an F2 in 1941.

It will be good if someone replys also
I hope this will be a good sorce / refrence for info, as it seems that no one have diged so deep from this angle before.

[eknutson]

Regarding the numbers 388 on Lh gear, 499 on RH gear and 224 on main spar. I found this info in an old book, Monogram Close-up Nr 6 regarding BF109 G. It contains a table with ID / WNr refrences.

499 number. From table 13 499 (G1)
388 number. From table 15 388 (G3)
224 number, From tekst 20 225 (G3)
As this book is old ( 1976 ) has ther been a "update" of this table, may be including the E - F series. May be the 224 is a F serie number.

This is can be for our airframe:
WNF F2 6687 ( main spar and lh gear) 15% landing accsident, sendt for repair. Rebuilt as G1 14055. 70% loss. Sendt for new rebuild to G3, canged to G2 14055. Sendt to I/JG5 as G2 100% loss 7.7.1943

Is this 13 15 20 related to factories or showing type of airframe

[harrison987]

Hi!


The chart is just shoiwing examples of numbers...so we cannot conclude that becasue the numbers are similar in your areas, that they are from that exact type airframe.

This is because almost every werk number block could have had the 3 numbers you are referring to.

In the photo you attached a few posts back, it is clear that the wings are later G (meaning G5 to G14)...as you can clearly see the wing bulges for the larger wheels.

The "G" on the gear legs, simply means "G"...as in "Me109 G".

The gear legs on the F and early G were quite different. If you can take a photo of the LOWER part of the gear leg (where the wheel attaches), I can tell you 100% if the legs are F or G.

But that will not really conclude anything...just confirm what type of legs are on it.

Stamping on the gear legs from F onwards did not match up with any aircraft werk numbers. They were just an assembly number or werk number of the leg itself. So researching from the numbers on the gears leg I would not do, as they will not be givng us any concluding information.

If you can take some good overall photos of the cockpit, we will be able to determine if it was an F converted to G...or an original G build.

Possible?

Mike

[eknutson]

There have not been so mutch update on this one the last year. But we have now ( after 26 years ) got the exact position of the recovery by the fisherman. This show a depth of 80m insted of 300m, so now we might try to serch for the tail by rov.

And after looking trough old fotos i found this of the Lh gear. Is a protection like this seen before?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

[Falcon]

A protection for light reflection?

[eknutson]

Hi out there , today we got som updates regardig the airframes history:

The aircraft was ferried on 20.02.43 from Deurne (where the repair was performed by Erla) to Vaerlöse (which acted as a Flugzeugschleuse for aircraft intended for JG 5).
my data came from an old list of flights from Überführungskommando/Luftzeuggruppe Belgien-Nordfrankreich. I have not stored a copy af this paper.
Merlin

And from Rasmussen
and during transfer the engine was changed in Stade because of engine failure (the repair ended on 23.03.1943 and the a/c was flown to Vaerloese).

Doe anyone have the orginal dokuments from this new information, or even mor detaild ones



This gives this new lifspan:


Thanks for your confirmation Matti. This is the real identity of our airframe.
BF109 G1 W.Nr 14055. Built by Messerschmitt AG, Regensburg. Date March 1942, in block 14039-14063. Stkz found in LMBD database says NI + BY

Deliverd directly to JG2 11(H) staffel ?

Crashed 1942-07-30, 11./JG 2, Bf 109G-1, 14055, Fl.Pl. Audembert, Notlandung infolge Feindbeschuß. Bruch 70 %.

The aircraft was ferried on 20.02.43 from Deurne (where the repair was performed by Erla) to Vaerlöse (which acted as a Flugzeugschleuse for aircraft intended for JG 5).

and during transfer the engine was changed in Stade because of engine failure (the repair ended on 23.03.1943 and the a/c was flown to Vaerloese).


Rebuilt to G2 standard in a repairshopp in France ? Is there any info were JG2 sendt the damaged plane to.

Rebuilt by merging G1 with F4 trop airframe? we have a lot of parts / numbers sugesting this teory. Even the engine trottle linkage on the firewall ( 3 different positions ) our was bolted in the upper one saying E motor ( 601E for F4 )

Ended in the northsee serving with 1/JG5
1943-07-07, 1./JG 5, Bf 109G-2, 14055, 3 weiße, Südwestlich Egersund, 90 km südwestlich Stavanger, Luftkampf mit Hampden. Bruch 100 %.

Causing the plane to crash was: RAAF 455 SQD
P.5302 - S UB - S
Crew S/Ldr B.R.D.O CONNOR (P)
F/O R.N LINDEMAN (N)
P/O C.H WALTERS (W/AG)
F/Sgt COLLINS (W/AG)
Off on Rover patrol 7.7.42 Kl 16.20 Engaged by 2 enemy aircraft Kl 18.50, reported by tail gunner. 1 aircraft hit by gunner and brok off, 2nd attacked 5 times befor braking off. Safe home after taking " violent evastive action" to get away from the enemy.

So now we hope people have picture / information on thees Aircrafts / happenings.
First we whould like to know the history off the G1 airframe in France.

This is the spesial feature with this airframe - for camera installation ?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/108070...posted-public/

[harrison987]

I am confused by your last question.

There is nothing out of the ordinary in your photo. Please point to what "camera installation" you are referring to?

Mike