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JU 52 losses Waalhaven
I hope some one can help me with the following question two questions.
On the morning of the 10th of May 1940 Kampfgeschwader zur besonderen Verwendung 1 (KG zbV 1) was given the task to transport 7 Flieger Division to Holland. Of this 7th Flieger Division the 3rd Fallschirmjager battalion was to drop at Waalhaven (and a smaller part at Feyenoord). Sources (After The battle, Als de dag van gisteren) mentioned that the 3rd Fallschirm battalion was flown into battle by II./KG zbV 1, shortly follwed by III./KG zbV 1 with the first troops of 16 Infantry Regiment 22 Infantry Division (Luftlande). The questions I have are:- 1:- The book Geschichte Einer Transportflieger-Gruppe im Weltkrieg - Kameradschaft ehemaliger Transportflieger about the actions of 'Die II./ Kampfgeschwader zur besonderen Verwendung 1 mentioned that they did not drop the 3rd Fallschirmjäger battalion at Waalhaven , but to drop the 1st Fallschirmjäger Battalion at Dordrecht. Later that day they also transported troops of 22 Infantry Division to Waalhaven. The sources that mentioned that they did drop the 3rd Fallschirmjager battalion at Waalhaven are incorrect. So what Kampfgeschwader did drop the 3rd Fallschirmjäger Battalion at Waalhaven ? Second question I have is: what were the losses of JU52's on this 'lift' to Holland - specificaly foccues of those who did fly the 3rd Fallschirmjäger battalion? |
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Re: JU 52 losses Waalhaven
Peter,
I doubt whether your fresh input is correct. All overviews of the May 10 airlift consistently mention II./KGzbV1 as the carrier of III./FSJR1 to Rotterdam Waalhaven and Feijenoord. The dropping of 1./FSJR1 parachute troops at Dordrecht were done by KGzbV172. A mix-up between these two is very unlikely. The planes of II./KGzbV1 were not attacked by Dutch fighters during their activities, but two were apperently hit by anti-aircraft fire. One Ju-52 crashed at the airfield of Munster and 1 close to the Dutch border. Pieter |
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Re: JU 52 losses Waalhaven
The losses for the 10 th may 1940, hs been the worst for the whole war, something like 400 planes hv been lost or damaged, around 1.000 flying personnel wounded,dead or missed. Blitzkrieg is a rather costly maner to handle the war...
II.Kgrzbv.1 seems to hv lost, 32 planes around Rotterdam, Waalhaven, Haag, Delft.. For the whole airlift, including Belgium, I count 279 ju52+ least than a hand-fingers of He59.. rt + great thks to Norbert Schuhbauer |
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Re: JU 52 losses Waalhaven
Peter,
I well appreciate your confusion, as I have been looking at this question myself in some detail. No two sources seem to agree, but here is what I have prepared on the Waalhaven landings on 10 May 1940 for the forthcoming book The Battle of France Remembered: First stage of this part of the operation involved drops from 50 Junkers Ju52s of I./KGzbV.1 by about 700 paratroops of II.Batallion FJR1 to the north and south of the strategically important Moerdijk bridges that crossed Hollands Diep south of Dordrecht. The paratroops were to seize the bridges while a second wave of 30 Junkers Ju52s from KGrzbV.172 dropped the bulk of I.Bataillon FJR1, some 400 paratroops, between Moerdijk and Dordrecht to secure the main road to Rotterdam. At the same time, 12 more Junkers Ju52s from KGrzbV.172 were to drop 170 men of 3.Komp FJR2 to take both ends of the bridges crossing the Oude Maas at Dordrecht. In addition to these landings, 50 Junkers Ju52s of II./KGzbV.1 would drop 700 paratroops of III.Batallion Fallschirm-Jäger-Regiment 1 on Waalhaven airfield which was designated Landing Place IV. With the field secured, 20 Junkers Ju52s of III./KGrzbV.1 would then start air-lifting the first of six waves of 2,500 reinforcements from III.Batallion Inf.Rgt.16. Co-inciding with the parachute landings at Waalhaven, 50 men of 11.Komp FJR1 were to be dropped by 3 Junkers Ju52s of II./KGzbV.1 around Feyenoord football stadium and fight their way through the Rotterdam suburbs to seize the bridges spanning the River Maas at the Noordereiland. Supporting this objective, 120 troops from 11.Komp.Inf.Rgt.16 with engineers from Pioneer Batallion 22, would directly assault the bridges from 12 Heinkel He59 floatplanes that were to land on the Neuwe Maas river. This assault group was to prevent demolition of the bridges, establish a bridgehead, and await the arrival of 11.Komp FJR1. On the equally vexed question of losses, III./KGzbV.1 lost 16 Junkers Ju52s on 10 May 1940. Most reliable sources tend to agree overall losses of about 200 Ju52s on the day, and I have 195 listed with 8 more returning damaged. One notable source suggests losses of 231 but this figure suffers from some double-counting. Now a question for all TOCH members. Who has copies of the Namentliche Verlust Meldungen for the KGzbVs for 10 May 1940? I have partial information only and need the full picture for my research. Anyone who can assist can contact me off-thread. Many thanks. |
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