Fw 190 D-9 21x 129

[udf_00]

http://ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg54.htm
III./JG54 : On 25.2.45 redesignated IV./JG26, perhaps happened when JG54 and entered in the reports when JG26.
JG26 War Diary has Fw. Arnfried Köhler KIA on 13 & 19 MAR 45 in 13./JG26.

[Micke D]

I'm still not sure that the W.Nr. is 210129, and I don't think it has the camouflage of a 211 series plane, so I don't believe it could be 211129 either.

I have found a better photo on Modelforum.cz, but I can't really say if it is 210127, -128 or -129. W.Nr. 210128 was Gelbe 9 from 11. /JG 54, destroyed at Lengerich, a candidate maybe? It doesn’t seem destroyed in the photo, even if it has seen better days.

What do you guys say about the light coloured band? It certainly isn’t JG 26 and JG 54 is usually said to have not used the blue band on their Dora’s, but W.Nr. 210037 from 12. /JG 54, found at Eelde airfield, did have a similarly coloured light band, could it have been light blue? Otherwise I can only see the yellow band of JG 11, but they seem to have used only a few Dora’s just before the war ended.

[Roger Gaemperle]

Has there been any more information about this aircraft?

I believe W.Nr. 210129 was most likely a 12./JG 54 machine coded Red 9. W.Nr. 210128, Yellow 9, was a different aircraft. Claes Sundin obviously based his color profile on photos of W.Nr. 210129, but W.Nr. 210128 was 100% destroyed on 29 December 1945, so it cannot have been the aircraft that was later photographed by US soldiers.

JG 11 would be possible as well if the tail band was yellow, but according to Japo Fw 190 D-9 Vol. 1 only few D-9s were delivered to JG 1 and no photographs are known that would show a yellow tail band.

[edwest2]

Go here and scroll down to near the bottom. There is a photo of Lieutenant Paul Warp sitting in the cockpit of an Fw 190. The text above appears to be a translation or badly edited, or both.


https://erenow.net/ww/ardennes-1944-...fensive/11.php

[Matolion]

The problem, which I have, is that it's not good to see the last number in any of the photos, which I found. It looks like 9, but it can also be 8

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...3&type=1&ifg=1
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

[Roger Gaemperle]

Thank you Ed and Matolion for these photos. All were new to me.

It's a pity that apparently there were no captions on the original photos that would reveal the location.

In the comment section of the second facebook link someone posted an image of Bf 109 'Black 16' and claims that it was the same aircraft (which it is not of course). But apparently both photos were taken by members of the same medic unit and it may well be that it was the airfield where this Fw 190 D-9 was found. The trees and surrounding fit. I have seen other photos of this 'Black 16'. If I remember correctly there is even a color shot in either one of the WOBC volumes (will check later today) or Brett Green's Bf 109 title published by Eagle Editions.

Marc-André Haldimann, if you are reading this, can you ID the location where the Bf 109 was found?

[ChristianK]

Not Marc, but Bf 109 "Black 16" was found either at Zellhausen or Babenhausen, two airfields in close proximity to each other, west of Aschaffenburg. It is rather confusing to sort out the airplanes captured at either one of them though. We have planes from JG 2, JG 4, JG 301, NJG 101, plus some unidentified. Parts of JG 54 were stationed at Babenhausen too. So there is a high chance that our Fw 190 D-9 here carried a (faded) blue fuselage band..

[Roger Gaemperle]

Thank you. Babenhausen could fit since elements of JG 54 used Babenhausen in 1945 according to ww2.dk. There was a loss of an 11./JG 54 Fw 190 on 21 February 1945 near Babenhausen, but I am not sure if he started from Babenhausen.

[Nick Beale]

Any chance it was 212129? That particular machine was listed as unserviceable with 11./JG 2 on 22 March 1945, awaiting "repair of formed wing-tip member".
Source: ULTRA CX/MSS/R501(C),4

[ChristianK]

Unlikely Nick, I would say this definitely looks like "21012x"...