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[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks Dirk

Really very interesting!
All I have for WNr 996 is that it was the first He 51 D built and carried the registration D-IUPO.

The odd thing is then that Heinkel assigned their Versuchs nummer a bit odd, since V5 and V6 have been reported as WNr 994 and 995 respectively, but that might be date related.

The photo, as far as I can judge, of D-ILMA is that it carries a non-regular engine, which may point to it having been rebuilt at some later stage.

Does anyone else have an opinion or does everyone agree that WNr 996 was the V4 initially reg D-IUPO, rebuilt and re-registered as D-ILMA?

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hello,


Thanks Dirk for the additional information on He 49 V4. So it did survive until WW.II just, not in a flying state one assumes.However,had it not become the He 51 V5 by this time? I'm not saying this is definite but Manfred Griehl in the Typenkompass volume on Heinkel reports this to be the case and gives a Werknummer of 430 (which does look a little odd).



Stig,I'm not going to pretend I know, but I can't see why the RLM would build a He 51 D-IUPO and then following alteration of the aircraft redesignate it with an earlier designation.Also what do you have for the registration of Hs 123 V8?


Regards,


Clint

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hi Clint

Not sure why you keep calling D-ILMA a He 49 V4.
As per Dirk's initial response, the Travemünde documents state it was a He 51 V4.

Also per Dirk's answer, the Travemünde documents quotes the same WNr 996 for both D-IUPO (in 1936) and D-ILMA (in 1939)

All I am doing is trying to correlate these two stated facts.

With regard to Manfred Griehl, he has, unfortunately, taken a lot of Flak for his published data. I am not even going to quote what some of my German contacts have said about him.

I checked two books about Henschel, both published in 2011.
Hs 123 V8 (Griehl) WNr 0266 (ex V2) D-IUPO
Hs 123 V8 (Wartmann) WNr 0266 (ex V2) D-????

As far as I know, nobody else claims the Hs 123 V8 to have been D-IUPO.

But, I have not seen any photo of anything carrying the latter registration, so what do I know?

Cheers
Stig

[gogh]

The D-IUPO reg.is seen on a He 51 It was an EBay.

[Stig Jarlevik]

That was interesting

I have not seen it. Care to attach it please?

Cheers
Stig

[gogh]

Attachment 20344

[Stig Jarlevik]

Wow

Thanks a lot!

Cheers
Stig

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay are the following photos:


Dornier Do 23 VB+TK


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-DO-11-D...MAAOSwmWhgLwGy



Klemm Kl 35 D SJ+EC FFS A/B 124



https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-KL-35-F...wAAOSwH1JgLwye


Then several lots of photos:


Lot 1


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-X-7-LOT...wAAOSwHzRgLwBP


Lot 2


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-X-7-LOT...kAAOSw3qVgLwYH


Lot 3


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-X-7-LOT...sAAOSwOMVgLwjx


Lot 4


https://www.ebay.it/itm/FOTO-X-4-LOT...EAAOSw-JBgLvWf

The last lot has a photo of a Fieseler Fi 5R. Does anyone know whether any of this type entered service with the Luftwaffe whether as trainers, hacks or anything else. I’ve seen the Stkz SE+UB for a machine operated by Fieseler, but that is the only one with a Stkz I’m aware of, are there more?




Luftwaffe Photos on ebay


https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from...=15502&_sop=10

https://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_from...biplano&_oac=1

https://www.ebay.fr/sch/1/i.html?_fr...Desc=0&_sop=10


Alternatively enter 'flugzeug militaria' in the ebay.de searchbox.


Regards,


Clint

[musec04]

Hello,


Currently on ebay is a machine , seemingly with the markings WL-ELKC at:


https://www.ebay.de/itm/Orig-Foto-Lu...gAAOSwUIhgL7Q5


I'm in two minds about the type of aircraft shown. So if someone could assist I'd be grateful.


Regards,


Clint

[Tony Jones]

WL-ELKC was a Klemm KL35