A question about Genst.Gen.Qu.6.Abt. loss list

[oquaig]

Hi everyone,

Was the Genst.Gen.Qu.6.Abt. loss list ever a part of the Karlsruhe Collection ?
Thanks in advance
oquaig

[Carsten Petersen]

And what is the Karlsruhe Collection ??

[Nick Beale]

The reels were certainly in Allied hands because the Imperial War Museum put them on microfilm. I understand that the originals were returned to Germany in the 1060s. Larry de Zeng will know the exact date, I’m sure.

[edNorth]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

The reels were certainly in Allied hands because the Imperial War Museum put them on microfilm. I understand that the originals were returned to Germany in the 1060s. Larry de Zeng will know the exact date, I’m sure.

These were found as paper copies by the Americans as revealed by Steve Coates some annums back, but were incomplete it appears, not certain.
THE IWM REELS are same filmed copies as BAMA / SELKE sold copies of on FICHE (with many "moved" frames) but Originals ARE in BAMA Freiburg.

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by edNorth

These were found as paper copies by the Americans as revealed by Steve Coates some annums back, but were incomplete it appears, not certain.

I know of at least one page missing from the films that someone (Jochen Prien?) found at Freiburg and kindly sent to me.

[edNorth]

I seem remember GQM losses be something in range of 8.437 pages +


Finding a single lost page must be huge news.


Ed

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by edNorth

I seem remember GQM losses be something in range of 8.437 pages +

Finding a single lost page must be huge news.

Ed

If it contains the information you want, then yes it is.

[Larry deZeng]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

The reels were certainly in Allied hands because the Imperial War Museum put them on microfilm. I understand that the originals were returned to Germany in the 1060s. Larry de Zeng will know the exact date, I’m sure.

Can't add much, but I do know that in the late forties when the "Karlsruhe Collection" authors were slaving away on their histories, they had to be taken by air to the A.I.12 (Post-Hostilities)/Air Ministry Library on Monck Street in London to see and do research in the captured German documents, including the Gen.Qu.(6.Abt.) Luftwaffen-Verlustmeldungen. They had Allied chaperones and could only visit for a few weeks at a time before returning to Germany.

These loss records were never in the U.S. They were part of the Luftwaffe administrative and selected operational records that remained in the U.K. in the custody of the Air Historical Branch - some being microfilmed - before being returned to Germany between c. 1960 and 1972. For those interested in the nitty-gritty details, see:

ECKERT, Astrid M. The Struggle for the Files: The Western Allies and the Return of German Archives after the Second World War. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2013. ISBN: 978-1-107-62920-2.

L.

[Franek Grabowski]

Is a distribution list of those documents known?

[Steve Coates]

The GQM Losses were restituted to Germany in 1977 after having first been microfilmed by the IWM - confirmation provided by Stephen Walton (IWM Duxford).

A bit more information on their travels can be found here:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=55981