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Help with script on back of Luftwaffe portrait
Hi,
I recently bought this portriat of a flier with script on the back. With very limited german and the ability to unpick the script I noticed it stated "fliegertod" but that's all I could translate. I have put a link to the back of the portrait below and wondered if anyone could help translate the rest of the wording to see if we could discover what happened to this young flier - possibly only 19! Many thanks Rick https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-W4AA...7/s-l1600.webp |
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Re: Help with script on back of Luftwaffe portrait
Hello Rick,
Among the few words I could read, the location 'Parduwitz' is perhaps the most valuable clue when combined with the date of early July 1944. Because of the young age, I looked into the Luftwaffe loss lists for Schools and other units. Please look at RL 2-III/779_0306, there is a Si 204 loss 'near Pardubitz' (Czechoslowakia) with 7 killed airmen. It is likely that your victim is one of these. Good luck! Marcel
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airfield Venlo in WW-2, I./NJG 1, He219-project Last edited by Marcel Hogenhuis; 12th April 2024 at 17:32. |
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Re: Help with script on back of Luftwaffe portrait
Hello Rick,
The postcard was sent to a family Köbel, which identifies the flyer as Flieger Johann Köbel. In the written text you will see 'mit 6 Kameraden' which matches perfectly the total number of 7 casualties. Best regards, Marcel
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airfield Venlo in WW-2, I./NJG 1, He219-project Last edited by Marcel Hogenhuis; 12th April 2024 at 17:33. |
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Re: Help with script on back of Luftwaffe portrait
Dear Marcel,
Magnificient! Thank you very much for your research and information. I am indebted to you. A very sad story. Rick |
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Re: Help with script on back of Luftwaffe portrait
Marcel, I am impressed by your knowledge
Carsten |
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Re: Help with script on back of Luftwaffe portrait
Hello Carsten,
In this case I can solemny swear that no knowledge was involved I saw/recognized a few bits of info and it was a wild guess to look in the Luftwaffe losses for 'Schulen und sonstige Einheiten', hoping to find a reference 'Pardubitz' and there is was. Nevertheless thank you for a brief moment of fame ! Have a nice weekend ! Marcel
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airfield Venlo in WW-2, I./NJG 1, He219-project |
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Re: Help with script on back of Luftwaffe portrait
That was interesting to read. And quickly solved! Sometimes pieces fit exactly, sometimes we are left in doubt.
Regards, Timon |
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Re: Help with script on back of Luftwaffe portrait
Hello Rick,
this is a card with the portrait of "Hansi", which was written by the parents-in-law (Schwiegereltern in German) of Hans, the parents of his wife, named Hans and Erna Kölbl and sent to Kurt, probably a friend or a relative of the family Kölbl. So the surname of the son-in-law Hans was certainly not Kölbl. Regards Leo |
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Re: Help with script on back of Luftwaffe portrait
It was a Si 204 of FFS B 33 there were two members with the correct age (19 years and 4 months)
Gefr. Erwin Gregg, geb. 27.03.1925 Flg. Johann Kölbl, geb. 22.03.1925 Looks to me that Kölbl should be the guy, although I understand Leo's argument... |
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Re: Help with script on back of Luftwaffe portrait
Hello John,
you are right, Kölbl should be the guy. Hans and Erna Kölbl were not the parents-in-law, this connection is wrong. Actually the parents-in-law had written this card to the parents of Johann Kölbl. The card was adressed to Kurt as a last memory of Johann Kölbl, called Hansi. Regards Leo |
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