Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 8th September 2024, 22:26
BrianC BrianC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 644
BrianC is on a distinguished road
He59 operating off Isle of Wight August 1940

Hi guys

During August 1940 it was reported that an ASR He59 operated off the Isle of Wight with immunity, often within sight of a Walrus carrying out similar duties.

What do we know about this? Was it always the same aircraft - presumably painted white with Red Cross markings? Who were the crew and unit? Did they carry out any rescue/recovery sorties? If so, whom? The Walrus crew apparently picked some 35 British and German airmen during the same period.

Any help appreciated.

Cheers
Brian

Last edited by BrianC; 10th September 2024 at 18:45. Reason: typo
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 9th September 2024, 11:38
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,431
Chris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura about
Re: He59 operating off Isle of Wight August 1940

From 29 July1940, order was sent out changing all white and Red Cross aircraft to be camouflaged. Aircraft would have been from either Seenotflugko 1 (Brest) or Seenotflugkdo 2 (Cherbourg) and yes they did rescue German airmen. They had more than one aircraft but not many
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 9th September 2024, 12:20
Andy Mitchell's Avatar
Andy Mitchell Andy Mitchell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Biggin Hill, UK
Posts: 799
Andy Mitchell will become famous soon enoughAndy Mitchell will become famous soon enough
Re: He59 operating off Isle of Wight August 1940

Brian,

See "Additional Notes and Losses" for 1. Seenotstaffel and 2. Seenotstaffel on the Luftwaffedata Wiki

The 2. Seenotstaffel notes will give you an idea of their operations.

These are derived from RL10/401 and RL10/402 respectively. Neither these nor Larry's notes indicate anything like your suggestion of impunity....

Note even though RL10/401 indicates that it covers from July 1940 there was little for Aug and Sep 1940.
__________________
Best Regards

Andy Mitchell

LuftwaffeData Wiki including the history of Aufklgr. 122
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 9th September 2024, 12:38
BrianC BrianC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 644
BrianC is on a distinguished road
Re: He59 operating off Isle of Wight August 1940

Hi Chris

Thanks for the response but this poses further questions:

Wearing conventional Luftwaffe markings, how did the He59 avoid being attacked by RAF fighters, especially whilst alighted in British waters?

Do we know the identities of any of the aircrew rescued by the Heinkels?

Were any RAF airmen rescued by the Heinkels?

Are there any reports of such rescues? Any literature available?

Cheers
Brian
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 9th September 2024, 12:54
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,431
Chris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura aboutChris Goss has a spectacular aura about
Re: He59 operating off Isle of Wight August 1940

Although it took time to camouflage He 59s (for example the one shot down by 206 Sqn on 15 Aug 40 was still white/Red Cross), it could easily be armed with up to 3 x MG15s. Trouble is, being so slow it was an easy target especially when on the water. Luftwaffe records usually say rescued by Seenotdienst which could be air or surface craft. If unwounded, the name would not be recorded (hence the III./KG 26 and Seenot crews picked up on 18 Aug 40 are not named as they were unwounded). RAF aircrew were rescued by He 59s (look at Sqn Ldr Ken Doran DFC on 30 April 1940) but not in the Battle of Britain (at least I have no Fighter Command aircrew ending up as POWs). Coastal and Bomber Command is another matter-you would have to do some digging. Never seen a list of who picked up whom and there is one book on ASR by Karl Born (but doesn't go into much detail)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11th September 2024, 11:32
BrianC BrianC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 644
BrianC is on a distinguished road
Re: He59 operating off Isle of Wight August 1940

Thanks, Chris and Andy

Some interesting information.

Cheers
Brian
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Spitfire Loss, Sgt Manton 610 Squadron, 29 August 1940 Peter Cook Allied and Soviet Air Forces 7 18th August 2024 21:12
New website for RAF Aircraft Losses September 1939 to August 1940. Martin Gleeson Links 14 11th August 2024 02:32
Battle of Britain Airfields Under Attack: 19 August 1940 – 6 September 1940 edwest2 Books and Magazines 0 5th August 2024 19:26
"Manston Mutiny" August 1940 BrianC Allied and Soviet Air Forces 5 19th May 2024 19:17


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:06.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net