Hans Kühnel JG3 & Indus.Soren ?

[Johannes]

Hi Guys

Fw Hans Kühnel made six claims between 04,10.1942 and 03,09.1943 with 4./JG 3 and 11./JG 3, after which I know nothing later about him. However there is a Fw Kühnel claiming a B-17 on 08,03.1944 at 1423 hrs 5000 metres altitude with Industrial.Soren Can anybody kindly confirm or otherwise it's the same guys ? Kühnel also flew with erg./JGr.Sud at some point.

Thanks in advance

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Rottler]

Hello Johannes,

according to Tony Wood a Fw Kübrick of the Industrie-Staffel Erla was credited with the B-17 victory near Cottbus on 8 May 1944.
According to Jagdfliegerverbände Vol. 13/I the victory as credited to a pilot – no name – of the Industrie-Schutzstaffel Sorau.

Regards
Leo

[Johannes]

Hi Leo

There is no such claim on the mikrofilms for 8th May 1944, I assume you mean 8th March 1944 when there is one for Ernst-Albrecht Leube of Indus.Erla at 1337 hrs a B-17, but that is not on the mikrofilms either(flugbuch). Leube is the only multiple claimer with these obscure units with seven claims of which only three were confirmed.

I believe woods is wrong on this one, we are looking at the same claim, but with different results. It is NW of Cottbus, but I still see Kühnel and certainly not Indus.Erla, but is might very well be Indus.Sorau not Indu.Soren.

Can't see how to add an attachment, otherwise I can attach the mikrofilm image.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Karoband]

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[Johannes]

Thanks Karoband

Using the other known names surely it's Ku - nel, and the U has an umlaut therefore Kü - nel which I make it Kühnel almost certainly, but that doesn't mean it's Hans Kühnel, I just think it is because of the same rank i.e Fw and the timing i.e after his know association with JG 3 ends. Can't find any loss for him beyond JG 3 either.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Johannes]

Hi Guys

I have looked and looked at the name. No way can I see "Kübrick", only "Kühnel", or at a push "Kichnel".

These Indus units are so obscure, and I suspect so few pilots flying for each of them. All seem to have made claims within a short timeline, and I suspect there were far more such units that actually made claims.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[John Manrho]

Dietmar Hermann wrote an article in Jet & Prop 2/2006 about the Industrieschutz Staffeln of Focke Wulf. Nothing on a Hans Kühnel though.

[Johannes]

Thanks john

Am still working on it.

Moving on I have three or four other unidentified claimants:

02,11.1943 1253 hrs name is "LOR,O..." it's something like "Lorpollo" a Leutnant.

20,02,1944 1443 hrs name is "L......" it's something like "Lerisch" a Feldwebel.

29,04.1944 1205 hrs name is like "Füy" a gefreiter.

Yours hopefully

Johannes

[Rottler]

Hello Johannes,

in Jagdfliegerverbände Vol. 10/III is listed:
2.11.43 Industrieschutzstaffel WNF Lt Loschella B-17 12.53 near Gammersdorf.

According to Jagdfliegerverbände Vol. 13/I on 29 April 1944 a B-17 was shot down at 12.05 near Burg by "Einflieger Gottfried Fay", who was a civilian employee of the Jasta Erla.

Regards
Leo

[Johannes]

Dear Leo

Great information, many, many thanks.

I misread Gottfried as Gefreiter, no mention of Burg on mikrofilm which just reinforces it as Gottfried Fäy as obviously from another source. A rare thing a civilian making a claim, no wonder I couldn't identify the name.

With Loschella mikrofilm states bei Gammersdorf, but the "G" certainly doesn't look like so. But also I am still not 100% sure about the name, certainly doesn't look like "sch" mid-name, perhaps your source is the mikrofilm. But I searched all my claimants and have come to the conclusion this is a first-time claimant. But I will search else where for a Lt Loschella and see if anything come up.

Thanks again

Kind Regards

Johannes