Help with Tunisian grid reference please

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

What details do you really have with regards to this loss Ben? The only late December 1942 losses I have that could be related to 5./Schl.G.1 was later corrected to being related to II./St.G.3 (one Ju 87 on 22.12.1942 and one Ju 87 on 27.12.1942). No trace of an QU reference with regards to these losses, they are both noted as being at Pantelleria.

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=116001

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=116002

So if the one you are talking about was on another date or another WNr, please let me know and I will look for it.

mvh
Andreas B

[Ben...]

Hi

The detail i have to hand are Hs 129B-2 W.Nr. 0269 4.(pz)/Sch.G.1. hit by AA fire map grid Qu.2953. 100% destroyed.

Thanks

Ben

[Andy Fletcher]

4.(Pz)./Sch.G. 1 was operating on the Eastern Front as of Dec42

However 4.(Pz)./Sch.G. 2 was in the MTO during Dec42

Best Regards

Andy Fletcher

[Nokose]

The W.nr 0269 was loss on 27Dec42 belonged to Oblt. Franz Oswald 4.(Pz)/Sch.G 1. He sated that he went down in a lake near the road. He evaded French troops to get back to German lines.
Hope that helps,
Michael

[Andy Fletcher]

44 Ost 2953 is ~60 nautical miles ENE of Tazinskaya (~120 nautical miles WSW of Stalingrad) where 4.(Pz)./Sch.G. 1 was based at the time.

Best Regards

Andy Fletcher

[Andy Fletcher]

Wasn't Franz Oswald St.Kap. 8.(Pz)/Sch.G. 2 at this time? This would tie in as 8.(Pz)/Sch.G. 2 was based at El Aouina (having been formed from 5./Sch.G. 1 during Dec42)

[Nokose]

Hs129 Panzerjaeger by Martin Pegg has the loss on the 27Dec42 with that W.nr with that grid but has the 4 staffel. The text has the unit as 5./Sch.G 1 for Oswald. It changed to 8.(Pz)/Sch.G 2 in Jan43. The Hs-129b-2's were from the Henschel factory that the unit picked up in Oct42 before going to Africa.

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

All the losses for these dates are reported as being under control of Luftflotte 4 in the east.

Regards,
Andreas B

[Nokose]

Oswald stated that they were returning to the east front when they were given new orders to Africa. He stated that 10 of his pilots were sent to assist another unit in Sep42 per Hitler's order. There is another Hs-129 listed as loss on 28Dec42 with that same grid 2953 (Wnr. 0286 with the unit again as 4.(Pz)/Sch.G 1. The one loss on the 22Dec42 Wnr. 0315 8/(Pz)/SchG 2 was shoot down by fighters 15 km NW of Kairouan, pilot Uffz Heinz Gustav Frohlich was KIA.

[Ben...]

Hi

Thanks guys, yes i have Oswald as the pilot but the stated grid of Qu 2953 is still a mystery, did the ground forces use a seperate code and could the Hs 129's be using this code because of their ground attack role ?

Thanks

Ben