Fw 190 D-13?

[Roger Gaemperle]

Hello,

The attached photo is of a recent ebay auction (already ended, bought not by me). On the backside it says Fw 190 D-13. It obviously is a 190 D, but a D-13? Any comments?

Regards
Roger Gaemperle

hi, a d13 only one a test plane,was built, no action seen,as i know of
the photo might be a d9 or a test plane d13,or d11 d12,.as its a long shot i dont know,as such,or a ta 152c,,,,it had short wings like the d series.
some one might know as ive been a fan for 3 years, by books, and not the net ,as ive just brought ,sort of novice,
gary,

[pikas]

Hi
I./JG26 had at least one D-13 before end of war.

[David Brown]

The FW190 D-13 did see action. There is one on exhibit in Seattle, Washington. The markings are from the Kommodore of JG 26. I believe the pilot's name was Goetz.

Looking at the photograph, it is very hard to tell. The first thing I tried to examine was the armament. The D-13 had a nose cannon and wing cannons. It did not have twin guns in the forward fuselage section like the D-9. Next, the D-13 had an air scoop located on the starboard side that was much larger than the D-9. Finally, the propeller blades were of the wide type (I believe fabricated from wood), and the propeller hub was prone to oil leaking. Apparently, the seals were either of poor quality or design when they modified the FW190D with a nose cannon.

Due to the quality of the photo, it seems that the wide type of propeller blades are used on this aircraft; however, the other criteria cannot be distinguished.

There is an excellent reference book - J. Crandall's FW190D-13 (which by the way is based on the D-13 on exhibit in Seattle). It gives a great comparison between a D-9 and D-13. Unfortunately, I'm at work and do not have access to it. Maybe some of the other members will have better luck.

hi,many thanks .why did the d13 were not made in numbers,or any major action was seen was the oil leaks, you said the problem,
,gary

[David Brown]

Originally Posted by dora9forever

hi,many thanks .why did the d13 were not made in numbers,or any major action was seen was the oil leaks, you said the problem,
,gary

Hi Gary:

According to Jerry Crandall's Yellow 10 (The Story of the Ultra Rare FW 190 D-13) published by Eagle Editions Ltd. (highly recommended), there was only one plant dedicated to the production of this aircraft. Arbeitsgruppe Roland was to start manufacturing 1,030 aircraft in January, 1945. In May, 1945 another 1,130 aircraft were to be started.
The Werke Number of "Yellow 10" was 836017 and would suggest that as many as 17 of these aircraft were produced. Unfortunately, production data for the D-13 is rather rare; however, it is known that two D-13's were in service by April 7, 1945.
As to why only a few D-13's entered service, Crandall indicated that delays were caused due to "a lack of documents supplied to various factories and contractors". I would imagine that a lack of supplies, production and transportation interruptions due to bombing and the general overall confusion realized during the last months of the war also played a role.
The oil leakage around the propeller hub and spinner was more of a situation than a problem. The seals in spinner area would loosen over time due to the vibration caused by the firing of the MG 151 20 mm cannon. Crandall also mentions that the cannon required a different hub incorporating a blast tube hole through it and the spinner which in turn contributed to the fluid leakage.
By the way, if you ever get to Seattle make it a point to see the FW190D-13 on display. It's a superb looking fighter.

[Adriano Baumgartner]

Hello to all!
Man, from the distance this picture was taken, only Mr Crandall to discern properly...He is The man on the Dora-9 and all Doras! Someone contacted him? I believe ONLY him can discern...interesting is that there is another 190 D...but we can´t see marks ( tail band to identify the unit ) neither the werknummer which would solve the mistery...
As I said...only Mr. "Dora-9" Crandall to solve this mistery...He is the man!
Cheers

[FRANCESCO M LENTINI]

Mr. Baumgartner, do you known Eric Larger and Collegues?

I hope for you yes !

Francesco M Lentini

[Jerry Crandall]

Hi Guys;
Thanks Roger for posting this very intriguing photo. The problem is of course, the image is so small, it is difficult to be 100% sure. However, this a/c in the foreground is a D-9 not a D-13. It is equipped with the standard D-9 VS 111 propeller and not the wider VS 9 mounted on a D-13. Another clue is, it appears the ground crew are loading 20 mm ammunition into the boxes under the wing, note the long rectangular doors are hanging open. The crew man standing on the wing appears to have the gun cowl open and is attending to the two 13 mm machine guns on the D-9. since the D-13 has no guns in that position, this all points to this a/c being a D-9.
The Dora in the background is very hard to see, but possibly has the wider VS 9 propellers...but that is only a guess.
I am curious as to what kind of machine from which this photo was taken.
Roger - do you know who purchased this photo?
Thanks again, cheers,
Jerry

Originally Posted by David Brown

Hi Gary:

According to Jerry Crandall's Yellow 10 (The Story of the Ultra Rare FW 190 D-13) published by Eagle Editions Ltd. (highly recommended), there was only one plant dedicated to the production of this aircraft. Arbeitsgruppe Roland was to start manufacturing 1,030 aircraft in January, 1945. In May, 1945 another 1,130 aircraft were to be started.
The Werke Number of "Yellow 10" was 836017 and would suggest that as many as 17 of these aircraft were produced. Unfortunately, production data for the D-13 is rather rare; however, it is known that two D-13's were in service by April 7, 1945.
As to why only a few D-13's entered service, Crandall indicated that delays were caused due to "a lack of documents supplied to various factories and contractors". I would imagine that a lack of supplies, production and transportation interruptions due to bombing and the general overall confusion realized during the last months of the war also played a role.
The oil leakage around the propeller hub and spinner was more of a situation than a problem. The seals in spinner area would loosen over time due to the vibration caused by the firing of the MG 151 20 mm cannon. Crandall also mentions that the cannon required a different hub incorporating a blast tube hole through it and the spinner which in turn contributed to the fluid leakage.
By the way, if you ever get to Seattle make it a point to see the FW190D-13 on display. It's a superb looking fighter.

yes, i might, pity there isnt one in uk,,can you sit in this plane or is it a walk around,,well ive won 50 pounds on lotto this year so" my lucky streak might come soon, big time, and ill buy a D9 AND EVERYONE CAN TOUCH FEEL AND EVEN SIT AND HAVE PHOTOS TAKEN IN IT,,WELL THATS ME,
AS OIL PAINTING GO,STUFF THEM,ID RATHER HAVE MY D9,THANKS FOR INFO, THATS SOMETHING TO MY BRAIN CELLS,MORE
gary