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Old 2nd August 2007, 16:58
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Lancaster ED317

For a friend who lost his cousin in this aircraft Im trying to get as much info on it.
It was shot down on the 24/3/1944 on a raid to Berlin 2km east of nagelstedt 4km east of Langansalza,with the loss of all the crew.
Ive got a list of the crew all 625 squadron as follows
f/sgt rdw jamieson..pilot
sgt eb tones..flight engineer
f/o bc rogers..nav.
sgt eg waller..bomb aimer
sgt ji scott..wireless operator
sgt jr honey..air gunner
sgt jf etheridge ..air gunner (this was my friends cousin)

would there be any pictures of any of them or the aircraft or does anyone know of them ?any help with this incident would be of great help.
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Old 15th August 2007, 16:11
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Re: Lancaster ED317

Hi

This is from http://www.lostbombers.co.uk/

ED317

"Serial Range ED303 - EE202 This aircraft was one of 620 lancasters ordered from A.V.roe (Chadderton) in 1941 and built from Nov42 to Jun43 as 129 mk.1s and 491 Mk.111s in a mixed production run up to ED782 and all as Mk.111s from Ed783 onwards. Mk.1s were initially fitted with Merlin 20 and Mk.111s with Merlin 28 engines. ED317 was a Mk.1 and was delivered to 1656CU Nov42, to No.101 Sqdn 27Jun43, to No.100 Sqdn 30Sep44, joining No.625 Sqdn 12Oct43. Wore the IDs CF-V/W Took part in the following key Operations: With No.101 Sqdn as SR-Q ex-1656CU, Cologne 3/4Jul43; Turin 12/13Jul43; Hamburg 24/25Jul43; Peenem_nde 17/18Aug43; Mannheim 23/24Sep43. No operations with No.100 Sqdn. To No.625 Sqdn as CF-U, Hannover 18/19Oct43; Berlin 18/19Nov43; Berlin 22/23Nov43; Berlin 26/27Nov43; Berlin 2/3Dec43; Berlin 16/17Dec43; Berlin 23/24Dec43; Berlin 29/30Dec43; As CF-W Leipzig 19/20Feb44; Berlin 24/25Mar44-Lost. No record of total hours. ED317 was one of three 625 Sqdn Lancasters lost on this operation. see: ME684; ND641. Airborne 1836 24Mar44 from Kelstern. Attacked outbound by a night- fighter and crashed 2 km E of N_gelstedt, 4 km E of Langensalza. all are now buried in the Berlin 1939-45 War Cemetery. F/s R.D.W.Jamieson KIA Sgt E.B.Tones KIA F/O B.L.Rogers RCAF KIA Sgt E.G.Waller KIA Sgt J.I.scott KIA Sgt J.F.Etheridge KIA sgt J.R.Honey KIA "

Hope this is of some interest

Alex
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Old 18th August 2007, 10:43
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Re: Lancaster ED317

I do not recommend the site you mention (Lost Bombers) for the following reasons.

1. A great deal of this web site's material is practically word for word the same as Bill Chorley's Bomber command losses. (for some reason!) Numerous other sources are quoted without reference.

2. He does not state who he is, or name his sources.

3. When I wrote to this person, asking who he was and what his sources were. He did not reply. The same was true of Mr Chorley's attempts to contact him.

4. The only source he quotes is Middlebrook and everyone knows Middlebrook does not include information about individual losses, crash locations and night fighter claimants, in B.C. War diaries.

5. What kind of person is it who claims to have a degree in history yet does not state his sources, his name, or reply to enquiries for this information?

Try contacting Mr J W Sharp your self and see he if replies!
mail@lostbombers.co.uk

Peter
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Old 22nd August 2007, 10:22
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Re: Lancaster ED317

And some of the data Mr Sharp HAS added to Bill Chorley's excellent and well-researched information is just WRONG! Much recent discussion about this whole issue over on RAF Commands.
Max Williams
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