Whirlwinds victories

[brewerjerry]

Originally Posted by Fairlop

Hi all,

Thank you for your comments. I have spent some time with a counting of the claimed victories and it should be ± :
7-0-6 plus 11-0-15 G for the 263 Sqn in 1941-43
and
1-1-6 for the 137 Sqn in 1942-43.
There is a possibility of my further questions to Whirlwinds in near future, so I will welcome your comments again.
Chris - PM sent.

Regards,
Michal

Hi
thanks for clearing it up for me ( claimed )

maybe a homer simpson moment for me,
but is :-


137Sq
1-1-6,
1 damaged, 1 probable, 6 destroyed,
or 1 destroyed, 1 damaged , 6 damaged

i.e for 137Sq I have:-

1 probable
3 damaged
4 shot down
1 raf blenheim shot down.

cheers
jerry

Originally Posted by Juha

Victor Bingham
WHIRLWIND
The Westland Whirlwind Fighter
Airlife 1987
ISBN 1 85310 004 8

Old but very good. My recommendation is if you find one, buy it

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sear...LWIND&x=67&y=5

Originally Posted by Juha

Victor Bingham
WHIRLWIND
The Westland Whirlwind Fighter
Airlife 1987
ISBN 1 85310 004 8

Old but very good. My recommendation is if you find one, buy it

http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?au...ic&st=sr&ac=qr

[Jim Oxley]

Thanks Juha. there are quite a few out there available on the net - as a quick search on AddALL books showed.

[Russell]

Hi Colleagues.

Dont bother at all with Binghams Book, it is a novel, and nothing in it is worth anything at all.

Cheers

Russell

[Russell]

Ops
Re Bingham, it is a good book, the one I was thinking of was the novel published by William Kimber. Apologies to all.

Russell

[Brian]

Hi guys

I have these claims noted for 263 Squadron:

12/1/41: P/O D Stein Ju88 probable
8/2/41: F/O JG Hughes & P/O KAG Graham Ar196 destroyed
1/3/41: P/O PG Thornton-Brown Ju88 damaged
5/3/41: P/O HH Kitchener DFM Ju88 damaged
11/3/41: P/O HH Kitchener DFM Ju88 damaged
1/4/41: S/L AH Donaldson & F/L DAC Crooks Do17 damaged
6/4/41: F/O B Howe & P/O JA Tooth He111 damaged
6/8/41: P/O CP Rudland Bf109 destroyed (plus Ju87 on ground)
F/Sgt Brackley Bf109
S/L AH Donaldson Bf109 damaged (plus Ju87 on ground, plus several Ju87s/Bf109s damaged on ground)
4/9/41: F/O D Stein Bf109 probable
29/9/41 W/C AH Donaldson Bf109 damaged on ground
S/L TP Pugh Bf109 damaged on ground
7/11/41: Sgt CP King Bf109 destroyed

4 destroyed, 2 probables, 6 damaged in air combat (plus 2 on ground & several damaged)

Hope this helps.
Cheers
Brian

[Fairlop]

Hi Brian,

Thanks for the comprehensive list of victories. Much appreciated !

12/1/41: P/O D Stein Ju88 probable

It is upgraded „damaged“ to „probable“ after HQ verification ?

1/3/41: P/O PG Thornton-Brown Ju88 damaged

5/3/41: P/O HH Kitchener DFM Ju88 damaged

I have to buy new glasses when I glanced over.

5/8/41

No record ?

6/8/41: P/O CP Rudland Bf109 destroyed (plus Ju87 on ground)

He should have to claim two Bf 109E destroyed.

26/8 and 19/8/41

Again no records for such massive ground victories ?

4/9/41: F/O D Stein Bf109 probable

Gah my glasses ...

29/9/41 W/C AH Donaldson Bf109 damaged on ground
S/L TP Pugh Bf109 damaged on ground

No mention in Aces High.

7/11/41: Sgt CP King Bf109 destroyed

Correct.


I look forward to your comments.
Michal

[Fairlop]

i.e for 137Sq I have:-

1 probable
3 damaged
4 shot down
1 raf blenheim shot down.

Hi Jerry,

My list:
15/05/42 0-0-1
20/06/42 0-0-1
06/07/42 0-0-1
25/07/42 1-0-0
29/07/42 1-0-0
18/08/42 0-0-1
19/08/42 1-0-1
15/12/42 0-0-1
19/12/42 0-1-0
15/06/43 0-0-1

Total 3-1-7

Michal

[alex crawford]

Hi,

Just to add to the confusion. According to the 263 Sqn ORB summary for 1941 P/O Stein's probable Ju88 was upgraded to destroyed to make this the first victory for the squadron's Whirlwinds. Steins combat reported states that the Ju88 was initially claimed as damaged. So you have three posibilities for this Ju88, damaged/probable/destroyed.

Can the Ju88 be matched up with any that were in the area at the time?

On 5th August Sqn Ldr Donaldson and Sgt Holmes, both from 263 Sqn, attacked Maupertus airfiedl. Here they claimed 1 Ju87 destroyed with two more and two Bf109s damaged. The next day the squadron returned to Maupertus. Plt Off C P Rudland claimed one Ju87 destroyed on the ground and one Bf109 that was on its take off run. Two Ju87s were claimed destroyed on the ground, while two more plus 2 Bf109s were claimed as damaged.

The ORB mentioned that the Ju87s were lined up in a row and "may have been decoys".

During a later mission Rudland claimed another Bf109 as did Sgt Brackley. Sqn Ldr Donaldson claimed a third as damaged.

On 26th August 263 Sqn attacked Lannion airfield and claimed 5 Ju88s destroyed on the ground. From a search on the 'net I found a previous discussion thread which stated actuall losses were 1 Do217E destroyed with 1 Do17M and 3 Ju88A-5s as damaged. Spitfires from 66 Squadron were escorting the Whirlwinds and also fired on the aircraft.

So apart from the Lannion airfield claims, which have been identified can any other claims be matched to Luftwaffe losses?

Alex