Cause of P-51 a F6 to crash 27September 1944

[Matthias Radu]

Hi Stig,

thanks for pointing to the pic of 5M * W in Ivie's book, I missed that when looking this issue up in the morning. Anyway, compared to the drawing of "Chumps Chance" in the same book, when still coded 5M * AI, the style and position of the name is very similar. I think there is a good chance of 5M * W being "Chumps Chance" indeed.

What I do not know is if it was "Chumps Chance" which crashed at Hochscheid, but the description in Ivie's book as well as Tom's account might suggest that Warenskjold was the one crashing into the meadow at Hochscheid.

Oberkleinich (position of the Flak) and Hochscheid are next to each other (you can zoom-in at the map in the link). This claim of the Flak at Oberkleinich should have nothing to do with the second F-6 loss, being hit near Dieuze, south-east of Metz.

I assume that the cause of the loss of Warenskjold had not been established when the MACR was filed, because the wingman had already turned around and the claim of the Flak was probably not known to the US officials.

Best Regards

Matthias