JG 11 losses on 8 October 1943

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Hello,

I have some conflicts in my files on JG 11 this day against 8th Air Force.

This day Oblt Erich Hondt of 2./JG 11 was hit during an attack on US bombers and rammed the B-17 42-3386 of 100th BG. Both aircraft crashed near Bellingwolde, Netherlands. All ten US crew were killed while Hondt was ejected from his aircraft and survived though heavily wounded.

On the same day another 2./JG 11 pilot, Oblt. Erich Bartels, was lost when his Fw 190 was shot down over the North Sea by return fire of B-17.

Problem is that I have conflicting data about their aircraft. Depending of sources, both pilots are recorded as having flown either Fw 190 A-5 /U12 WNr 410205 or Fw 190 A-4 WNr 410266.

Can someone link these two pilots to the right aircraft ?

Thanks in advance

Laurent