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Old 2nd January 2014, 13:34
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Re: German overclaims in the East. Hartmann and others...

hi,
about Hartmann i found this info (claims by Johannes, some info by Nick Hector and me):

Between 04.02.44-26.02.44:

4,2.44 9./JG 52 Lt P-39 raum 15km westlich Signajewka 15km W Signajewka 1140 3500 E J 192

9 GIAD (or VVS ChF?) 129 GIAP no losses

26,2.44 9./JG 52 Lt P-39 raum Kirowograd Kirovgrad area 908 3000 E J 193
26,2.44 9./JG 52 Lt P-39 raum Kirowograd Kirovgrad area 916 3000 E J 194

9 GIAD (or VVS ChF?) Only on loss Mladshiy Leytenent Leontiya Zadiraki 129 GIAP bail out return safely, 304 IAD had no more losses at this time and 205 IAD located in other region

26,2.44 9./JG 52 Lt P-39 raum Alexandrowka Alekandrovka area 1145 4000 E J 195
26,2.44 9./JG 52 Lt P-39 raum Alexandrowka Alekandrovka area 1148 3000 E J 196
26,2.44 9./JG 52 Lt P-39 raum 10km westlich Alexandrowka 10km W Alekandrovka 1153 3000 E J 197
26,2.44 9./JG 52 Lt P-39 raum 29km südsüdwestlich Kirowograd 20km SSW Kirovograd 1158 2500 E J 198
26,2.44 9./JG 52 Lt P-39 raum Alexandrowka Alekandrovka area 1203 2000 E J 199

Probably 438 IAP. Three P-39s lost from a formation of four: Starshiy Leytenant Rybakov bail out safe, Starshiy Leytenant Zinchenko KIA and Leytenant Mamin bail out. Two more damaged and force landing Demchenko landed at the airfield and was repaired and Motuzko aircraft was sent to PARM atributed to Krupinski

26,2.44 9./JG 52 Lt P-39 raum Alexandrowka Alekandrovka area 1440 2500 E J 200
26,2.44 9./JG 52 Lt P-39 raum 10km östlich Alexandrowka 10km E Alekandrovka 1445 3000 E J 201
26,2.44 9./JG 52 Lt P-39 raum 10km westlich Alexandrowka 10km W Alekandrovka 1450 2000 E J 202

9 GIAD (or VVS ChF?) 205 IAD 2 lost and one more damaged. Mladshiy Leytenant Vodolazhsky was shoot down in a dive and bail out. Leytenant Oleynikov was shoot down after the air battle 10min later. One from 129 GIAP Leytenant Korolev was damaged and made a force landing on their airfield. 438 IAP. Rall and Bachnick are believed to have claimed against Mladshiy Leytenant Vodolazhskiy (KIA?) and Leytenant Oleynikov (known to have baled successfully)

probably 4 + 2 damaged forcelanded of 11 claims...
if you add some info...or have different info....

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