3./JG 77 machine: or "A Little Brown Job to start 2014"!

[John Vasco]

Originally Posted by ChrisS

I think you are being a just a tad touchy John, if anybody's not 'grown up' throwing their toys about its you. If you feel the 'criticism' is aimed at you then another proverb is due: If the cap fits wear it. Calm down please and be a little more grown up and let your anger disperse before posting.

Don't preach to me, Chris, and level accusations that don't hold water. I suggest you grow up in what you post, and stick to actual facts. Instead of a smokescreen of bullshit.

For the benefit of those members here who may not have read the thread on the other forum, let's look at what has occurred over on the other forum regarding brown numerals on 109s. Let's stick to facts as well, and not the hero-worship, adoration, of certain German researchers/authors that you have indulged in on the other forum.

Fact: Gerhard Stemmer listed a number of 109 units that used brown numerals, among them 3./Erpr, Gr. 210;
Fact: I asked where the information came from;
Fact: He said it was from GQM and NVM;
All the above was last Wednesday 15th January.
Fact: I posted that I had seen the GQMs from 1940 -1944, and I had a complete set of the Erprobungsgruppe 210 Namentliche Verlustmeldungen, and that brown numerals had never been mentioned in them. (Additional fact: had they been mentioned, I would have recorded the fact in my book on Erprobungsgruppe 210, 'Bombsights Over England').
Fact: Up to this morning, Gerhard Stemmer has not provided any further eveidence of his assertion that brown numerals were confirmed by either the GQM of NVM.

You know why, Chris? Because brown is not mentioned in the Nam Vers of either Lt. Horst Marx (PoW 15/8/40) nor Oblt. Otto Hintze (PoW 29/10/40).

Sorry if the truth hurts, Chris. Stick to historical facts, and not creeping to your heroes and believing everything they say.

Come back to me when you have something factual to say. About those two Erprobungsgruppe 210 incidents, for example...