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Old 5th February 2014, 14:39
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Re: German overclaims in the East. Hartmann and others...

Hi Guys

The micro films list twelve Luftwaffe claims in the east for 13th November 1944, eleven of which were for JG52, though I believe that these daily claims are not 100% over this period, in fact JG5's are missing from October 1944.

The easiest day to pin Hartmann down would in my opinion be the following day, the Luftwaffe daily sheet lists only five claims, all JG 52. One earlier on at 0842 hrs a Jak-9 for Heinz Männel, and then two Lavochkin-5's for Hartmann at 1135 hrs and 1145 hrs, unfortunately the other two are at around the same time two Jak-9's at 1145 hrs and 1200 hrs from Gerhard Barkhorn.

What does your research reveal regarding this date?

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Johannes
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