Searching details on Lufwaffe losses on 10 November 1939

[Laurent Rizzotti]

First, to be clear, I have enough details for the losses of the Do 17P of 4.(F)/121 and the Do 18 of 3./406.

I search more details on:
1) a collision between an Ar 66 and a Bf 109 reported by II./KG 4, location Luftpark Diepholz, both 100% losses, 2 dead (source RL 2/III/184, page 68).

The book "Battle of France Then and Now" by Peter Cronwell has the same, just adding "both pilots believed killed".

Nothing was found in the KG 4 list in denkmalprojekt (http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/2026/v...der-4_wk2.html)

But by searching on fold3 in the "Germany killed" section, I found two people who died at Diepholz that day:
_ Oblt Rolf Richter (born 25/10/1913 at Halle/Saale), a Beobachter of 4./KG 4, died at 16h15 in an accident near Diepholz during a training flight (https://www.fold3.com/image/699600098, https://www.fold3.com/image/692496499)
_ Gefr Alfred Lühring (born 30/07/1905 at Ehlershausen) of Luftpark Diepholz died at Diephholz "durch eigenes ???? (https://www.fold3.com/image/692975186)

Can someone helf to decypher the card for Lühring ? Or have some details on what happened that day at or near Diepholz ?

2) while searching casualties on that date on fold3, I found the names of four men, all listed as being killed in an aircraft crash near Sillenmau (at 1130 hrs). They are:
Uffz Willi Lang (born 03/07/1914 at Bayreuth) of Flieg-Horst-Komp Breslau (https://www.fold3.com/image/691856204)
Uffz Kurt Olschewski (born 19/10/1914 at Alt-Uka) of Flieg-Horst-Komp Breslau (https://www.fold3.com/image/692944607)
Uffz Erich Reissner (born 14/10/1916 at Lübeck) of Flieg-Horst-Komp Breslau (https://www.fold3.com/image/699603402)
Gefr Alfred Wochnik (born 23/05/1907 at Hindenburg ) of Luftzeuggruppe 8, Breslau (Flieg-Horst-Komp Breslau was written before and stricken) (https://www.fold3.com/image/693238886)

I guess they were killed in the crash of a school aircraft. Nothing in RL 2/III-184, and the files dedicated for school units start only in September 1940.

Has someone more details on this crash ?

Thanks in advance