24 May 1944 JG27 claims for B-17s of 97th and 463rd BG

[Steve_Fossey]

I’m still trying to match up claims of B-17s shot down on 24 May 1944. Here is a time line based on the 3 MACRs:

Time 1010 A/C 42-31841 no nick name 463rd BG 775th BS seen to crash near Schönstein (Šoštanj). (3 KIA, 6 POW, 1 Evaded). MACR 5195

Time 1151 A/C 42-30169 "Lady Luck" 97th BG 341st BS time last seen 1151 location 45 20 N 16 13 E (north of Zagreb based on a map in the MACR) altitude 5000 ft MACR 5070 Crashed Cilli (Celje). The TT gunner was seen to shoot down a Bf-109. Shot down by Hungarian 101/1. FS, Capt. Miklós Scholtz?

Time 1205 A/C 42-31392 "Our Baby" 97th BG 414th BS time last seen 1205 location 44 33 N 15 13 E altitude was ~5,000 ft (~1.500 m) MACR 5187

Tony Wood’s list of LW claims lists 1015 as the time for Uffz. Tschertner ’s claim and 1016 as the time for Oblt. Altnorthof ’s claim and both list 6.000 m as the altitude. The time and altitude is not consistent with either MACR for the 97th BG A/C. Does anyone have any different information for these claims? Might it be possible that the two claims are both for ‘841 and some confusion arose because Altnorthof was shot down?

A second question is, what time were the two Bf-109s of 10./ IV./ JG27 shot down? So far, I have not found any fighter claims that are near Zagreb (I still have 10 claims of 2 FS/52 FG P-51 and 3 claims of 319 FS/ 325 FG, P-47 to check out).

Thanks,
Steve