K. Buhlingen Abschuss List

[FalkeEins]

Originally Posted by kaki3152

Hi to All,

1: His first victory is recorded as a Hurricane in both Prien's (Vol 4:I) and Toney Wood's list, not a Spitfire (2./JG-2 Uffz. Kurt Buhlingen Hurricane 1000 Dover)

2; Several sources list 4 Spitfire victories for Oblt Buhlingen over Dieppe (8-19-42) but Tony Woods only shows two, one at 0810 and one at 1324.

FWIW just a pointer to Bühligen's listings in Mombeeck/Roba's JG 2 history - three volumes written, 2 have appeared thus far in French and one in English, along with with a 'special issue' on Dieppe in the 'Batailles Aériennes' series...

(1) first victory a Hurricane over Dover with 2./JG2 on his 18th combat sortie, his second was a week later with 6./JG2.
(2) Over Dieppe two Spitfires as listed - see Batailles Aériennes 46

[Leo Etgen]

Hello Craig

Arthy/Jessen list the source for the Schülze claim on 30 January 1943 as being Film C. 2031/II, BA-MA RL 7/32. For 14 February 1943 they have Spitfire claims for the following pilots: Leutnant Lothar Werner at 8:21 and 8:23; Oberleutnant Kurt Bühligen at 8:25, 11:00 and 11:02; Unteroffizier Heinz Schülze at 11:03 (his third); Oberfeldwebel Kurt Goltzsch at 11:06 and 11:14; Unteroffizier Erich Engelbrecht at 11:15; Hauptmann Erich Rudorffer at 16:18 and Oberleutnant Kurt Bühligen at 16:21. Please note that Prien has 28 victories listed for Bühligen by the time II./JG 2 transferred to Tunisia in November 1942 while Arthy/Jessen have that he claimed 25 victories up to that time. What I did to compile the victory list was use Prien up to the transfer to North Africa, Arthy/Jessen through his stay in North Africa and then Wood for the rest of the war. I used these as I believe them to be the most reliable sources for each time period. I hope that this helps. Neil, I will update the biography with the information that his first claim was recorded on his 18th mission when I get home.

Horrido!

Leo

[Kapper]

Leo,

It is interesting that for the 30 January claim both Jessen/Arty and Tony woods reference Film C. 2031/II as the source yet have different names. I guess I need to get a copy of the original microfische film data to be sure.

For the claims of the 14th February, match with woods lists, so no problems there.

Regards,

Craig...

[Andrew Arthy]

Hi Craig,

The best source for the 30 January 1943 victories is BA-MA RL 7/32, which says that Bühligen claimed two Spitfires (his 40th and 41st victories), and Uffz. Schülze one Spitfire (his 2nd).

Cheers,
Andrew A.

[knusel]

Hello Carlos,

I've compiled 112 claims for Kurt Bühligen but I haven't found the plane type he shot down of 9Jun44 yet:
4,9.40 Hurricane
11,9.40 Hurricane
26,9.40 Spitfire
30,9.40 Spitfire
1,10.40 Hurricane
7,10.40 Hurricane
7,10.40 Hurricane
7,11.40 Hurricane
1940/41 Fesselballon
10,11.40 Spitfire
28,11.40 Spitfire
21,6.41 Spitfire
21,6.41 Spitfire
21,6.41 Spitfire
7,7.41 Spitfire
10,7.41 Spitfire
10,7.41 Spitfire
11,7.41 Spitfire
23,7.41 Spitfire
23,7.41 Spitfire
7,8.41 Spitfire
12,8.41 Hurricane
16,8.41 Spitfire
19,8.41 Spitfire
21,8.41 Spitfire
26,8.41 Spitfire
19,8.42 Spitfire
19,8.42 Spitfire
19,8.42 Spitfire
19,8.42 Spitfire
4,9.42 Spitfire
3,12.42 Spitfire
18,12.42 Spitfire
26,12.42 P-38
26,12.42 P-38
4,1.43 P-40
4,1.43 B-26
8,1.43 P-38
8,1.43 P-38
8,1.43 P-38
14,1.43 P-38
21,1.43 P-40
21,1.43 P-40
28,1.43 P-38
30,1.43 Spitfire
30,1.43 Spitfire
2,2.43 P-40
2,2.43 P-40
2,2.43 P-39
2,2.43 P-40
2,2.43 Spitfire
3,2.43 Spitfire
3,2.43 Spitfire
3,2.43 Spitfire
3,2.43 Spitfire
4,2.43 Spitfire
4,2.43 Spitfire
4,2.43 Spitfire
9,2.43 P-40
9,2.43 P-40
10,2.43 Spitfire
14,2.43 Spitfire
14,2.43 Spitfire
14,2.43 Spitfire
14,2.43 Spitfire
15,2.43 P-38
15,2.43 P-38
15,2.43 P-38
8,3.43 Spitfire
8,3.43 Spitfire
12,3.43 P-38
12,3.43 P-38
12,3.43 P-38
15,5.43 P-51
17,5.43 Typhoon
1,7.43 Typhoon
4,7.43 P-47
4,7.43 Spitfire
14,7.43 Spitfire
15,7.43 Typhoon
16,7.43 Spitfire
18,7.43 Spitfire
30,7.43 B-17
30,7.43 Typhoon
17,8.43 B-17
19,8.43 Spitfire
2,9.43 P-51
6,9.43 B-17
6,9.43 B-17
6,9.43 B-17
6,9.43 B-17
8,9.43 Boston
9,9.43 Spitfire
3,10.43 Spitfire
14,10.43 B-17
26,11.43 B-17
29,1.44 P-47
5,2.44 B-24
5,2.44 P-47
24,2.44 B-17
24,2.44 B-24
25,2.44 B-17
18,3.44 B-24
28,4.44 B-17
6,6.44 P-47
7,6.44 P-47
7,6.44 P-47
9,6.44
12,6.44 P-47
5,7.44 P-47
5,7.44 P-47
5,7.44 P-51

Have a nice weekend,

Michael

[Leo Etgen]

Hello Michael

I should point out that according to Die Jagdfliegerverbände der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1934 bis 1945 Teil 13/IV by Prien and others there is no mention of a victory claimed on 9 June 1944. The claims included in that particular publication arrive up to the three victories claimed on 5 July 1944 (102-104).

Horrido!

Leo

[knusel]

Hello Leo,

the idea that Bühligen scored on 9Jun44 is from "Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Aces of the Western Front" by John Weal p56:
"...Oberstleutnant Bühligen had been a member of the Geschwader since 1940 [...] and the 100th would be scored on 9th June 1944 north of Paris..."

May this be a typo for 7th June ?

Cheers,

Michael