Aircrew from I/ZG 76

[Franek Grabowski]

Originally Posted by Marius

I am very surprised that you better know what I wanted to write about!

I do not know what you wanted to write, I know what have you written.

I never wrote the Polish books are enough source. But German archives were most important for my work. I repeat, the title of my books is LUFTWAFFE... and my books mainly describe the German action, day for day, hour for hour.

Mainly?

Indeed I think I wan`t find much more in the Sikorski Institute (than in Polish books) that could clear up more losses on German aircraft. Luftwaffe lost total 303 aircraft in September 1939 and I have found working here in Germany the fate of almost 300 of them. So what shall I look for in London?

Documents showing air combats from the Polish perspective - you would not write such a nonsenses as you did in III/4 article.

Polish documents are even confirming many German documents, but you just don`t want to accept this. According to German documents you can show where the Polish documents are discoloured and overclaimed.

Overclaimed reports - that is something new. Perhaps it is completely opposite and Polish documents show inaccuracies in the German reports?

Until day there is no evidence that Bf 110 were engaged on 4.9. (I wrote about this, see German claims... post).

There is but you do not accept it.

So you wrote about my research in general (?!). Franek, this is much to less to take your statemnets serious. I think you are making some kind of propaganda.

Call it what you want.

And somebody says not the truth about my answer to your letter. I didn`t withdraw it. Lotnictwo did not published it and later I agreed with their decision. That`s all.
(you can mail your answer to me if you want)

I cannot, I do not have your address.

[Marius]

Franek,

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Originally Posted by Marius
I am very surprised that you better know what I wanted to write about!

I do not know what you wanted to write, I know what have you written.

Really? I think you did not read my books. You even cannot give the page number of statements you are writing about here (for example Polish pilots as cowards or murderers?!).

Quote:
I never wrote the Polish books are enough source. But German archives were most important for my work. I repeat, the title of my books is LUFTWAFFE... and my books mainly describe the German action, day for day, hour for hour.
Mainly?

???
Please read the book, you will see it.


Quote:
Indeed I think I wan`t find much more in the Sikorski Institute (than in Polish books) that could clear up more losses on German aircraft. Luftwaffe lost total 303 aircraft in September 1939 and I have found working here in Germany the fate of almost 300 of them. So what shall I look for in London?
Documents showing air combats from the Polish perspective - you would not write such a nonsenses as you did in III/4 article.

Do you have a single one evidence that Luftwaffe lost more aircraft to III/4 than I wrote in the article? If not you cannot write about nonsenses and similar things.


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Polish documents are even confirming many German documents, but you just don`t want to accept this. According to German documents you can show where the Polish documents are discoloured and overclaimed.
Overclaimed reports - that is something new. Perhaps it is completely opposite and Polish documents show inaccuracies in the German reports?

Until now there wasn`t published anything of the Polish reports that could show inaccuracies in German reports. All you say is very hypothetical and we cannot work with. By the way, even if you would be right and could find some more aircraft lost to Polish fighters, where I don`t believe it could achieve more than 5, you never could reach 100 destroyed German aircraft as wrote Cynk. Please remember, I have found some 40-45 (with London archives - for your personal wish - perhaps maximally 50). How will you explain the abyss?

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Until day there is no evidence that Bf 110 were engaged on 4.9. (I wrote about this, see German claims... post).
There is but you do not accept it.

Okay, where is the evidence? If you will give me an other reliable source than the report of Pniak I will accept it. By the way Pniak spoke of two-engined aircraft.

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So you wrote about my research in general (?!). Franek, this is much to less to take your statemnets serious. I think you are making some kind of propaganda.
Call it what you want.

I call it propaganda, because you do not operate with sources, but only with metaphysical statements.

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And somebody says not the truth about my answer to your letter. I didn`t withdraw it. Lotnictwo did not published it and later I agreed with their decision. That`s all.
(you can mail your answer to me if you want)
I cannot, I do not have your address.

Okay, let it be.

Many regards,
Marius

[Franek Grabowski]

Marius

Originally Posted by Marius

Really? I think you did not read my books. You even cannot give the page number of statements you are writing about here (for example Polish pilots as cowards or murderers?!).

At the moment I do not have access to anything written by you, even the article on III/4. Your quote concerning the research is from your reply, is not it?

???
Please read the book, you will see it.

Thanks for confirming. So it is not only about the Luftwaffe.

Do you have a single one evidence that Luftwaffe lost more aircraft to III/4 than I wrote in the article? If not you cannot write about nonsenses and similar things.

I have a photo of a damaged Me 110 of ZG1 which is not listed in your book. How many such losses are hidden somewhere? How many of them were caused by Polish fighters?
Was the Me 110 of Hammes finally written off or repaired? How about Weng, did he bail out? There is plenty of questions that you fail to answer.

Until now there wasn`t published anything of the Polish reports that could show inaccuracies in German reports. All you say is very hypothetical and we cannot work with. By the way, even if you would be right and could find some more aircraft lost to Polish fighters, where I don`t believe it could achieve more than 5, you never could reach 100 destroyed German aircraft as wrote Cynk. Please remember, I have found some 40-45 (with London archives - for your personal wish - perhaps maximally 50). How will you explain the abyss?

You fail to show the aircraft that were not shot down by Poles. If you do not know with whom Pniak was fighting on 4 September, how can you be so sure he did not down anything?

Okay, where is the evidence? If you will give me an other reliable source than the report of Pniak I will accept it. By the way Pniak spoke of two-engined aircraft.

In the Sikorski Institute. Diary of the unit mentions combat with Do 17s and Ju 87s. No mention of any Mes! This is supplemented by a report written by Rolski two months later, where he mentions Me 110s. By the way, while describing the types, he confuses them anyway.

I call it propaganda, because you do not operate with sources, but only with metaphysical statements.

You received a list of Polish sources but called them useless. Not my problem.

[Marius]

Franek,
I`m writing about the things under the post German claims in Poland 1939. Let`s continue there.

To the photo. Could you show it?

Marius